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IPad thoughts from Ben Fry (creator of Processing)

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Re: IPad thoughts from Ben Fry (creator of Processing)

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Well private individual will also have a hard time bringing something better to the market than apple. Individual's first strength is to boycott something. And to raise his/shes voice so that the alternative arguments are heard too. I just called 90% of my techie/geek colleagues pussies over twitter after reading this.

direct link: http://benfry.com/writing/archives/608

my link was to a twitt calling them pussy :) . I wasn't trying to use my twitt as a relay to the article. I removed link to avoid confusion now.

Re: IPad thoughts from Ben Fry (creator of Processing)

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The worst enemy of freedom in software is not Microsoft, it's Apple. You're pretty free to develop and distribute software as you want on Windows. On new Apple devices, they control the way the software is distributed, they tax you, they make you obey their rules. Imagine a world with appstore as the main way of distributing software for any kind of devices. This would be hell. This is where Apple is going. Stop usin…

You can freely distribute Mac OS X software. Why are you comparing Windows with iPhone/iPad?

I'm going to compare games on Mac OS X and Xbox, why can't I make Xbox games and distribute them freely, when I can do that on Mac OS X?

Re: IPad thoughts from Ben Fry (creator of Processing)

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The worst enemy of freedom in software is not Microsoft, it's Apple. You're pretty free to develop and distribute software as you want on Windows. On new Apple devices, they control the way the software is distributed, they tax you, they make you obey their rules. Imagine a world with appstore as the main way of distributing software for any kind of devices. This would be hell. This is where Apple is going. Stop usin…

You can freely distribute Mac OS X software. Why are you comparing Windows with iPhone/iPad? I'm going to compare games on Mac OS X and Xbox, why can't I make Xbox games and distribute them freely, when I can do that on Mac OS X?

I think he means Windows Phone 7 and Windows Mobile.

Re: IPad thoughts from Ben Fry (creator of Processing)

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The worst enemy of freedom in software is not Microsoft, it's Apple. You're pretty free to develop and distribute software as you want on Windows. On new Apple devices, they control the way the software is distributed, they tax you, they make you obey their rules. Imagine a world with appstore as the main way of distributing software for any kind of devices. This would be hell. This is where Apple is going. Stop usin…

This is only true of the iPad/iPhone ecosystem. For OSX, they give away development tools better than the ones microsoft charges ridiculous amounts of money for. Almost all apple-made software (even the kind they sell) doesn't even make you enter a license key. If you are honestly worried about a closed app store coming to OSX based on what Apple does with phones and devices that they clearly think of as large phones…

Sorry, but having worked with both, Visual Studio is miles ahead of Xcode. I even did an app for a client in C++/Qt that wanted it running in OS X ... developed 100% in Visual Studio. That's because at the time (at least) Xcode wasn't even having Intellisense (and Visual C++ does have the best intellisense available).

Visual Studio Express is free to use ... and it's enough for almost every need you might have. And before that you could use the #Develop which is an open-source IDE for C#/VB.NET.

And while Xcode doesn't even support intellisense properly, Visual Studio is in a different category altogether considering that you can also develop with it web applications / Silverlight clips, supports many more languages and has a really healthy plugins ecosystem.

Not to nitpick, but Microsoft is endorsing Mono lately as THE Linux/FreeBSD/OS X alternative. On Linux I can have a dotNet app that uses Windows Forms running ... can you do the same with Cocoa?

Of course Mono for Apple would be an abomination that had to be destroyed (considering how they sued Psystar and even Wired on publishing an article about hackitoshes)

(pretty ironic I'm defending Microsoft, since I've been badmouthing them for years, but compared to Apple they start looking like saints)

Re: IPad thoughts from Ben Fry (creator of Processing)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is only true of the iPad/iPhone ecosystem. For OSX, they give away development tools better than the ones microsoft charges ridiculous amounts of money for. Almost all apple-made software (even the kind they sell) doesn't even make you enter a license key. If you are honestly worried about a closed app store coming to OSX based on what Apple does with phones and devices that they clearly think of as large phones…

"For OSX, they give away development tools better than the ones microsoft charges ridiculous amounts of money for." People tend to make this claim and I just don't understand where it comes from. Microsoft has made available the express editions of Visual Studio for the last several years and they are pretty damn good.

The express edition can not be compared to XCode, which has a single edition (the full one).

Re: IPad thoughts from Ben Fry (creator of Processing)

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"Kilimanjaro, I want to send some of our holiday photos to aunt Annie with your mom's iPad. Where can I plug it in? Dad." "Kilimanjaro, your father bought a book which I would like to read too. Could you tell us how to copy it to my iPad too? Love, mum"

"Hi Dad. You'll have to buy one of these http://images.apple.com/ipad/specs/images/usb_connectors_201... for the iPad, unless your camera has built-in uploading. Look on the box for a WiFi icon." "Hi mum. Plug your iPad into iTunes and click 'add device to authorized list' under the Advanced menu when dad is logged into his iTunes account."

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Re: IPad thoughts from Ben Fry (creator of Processing)

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The control that Apple has over the iPhone and the application distribution channel does contribute greatly to the iPhone's success. It makes the platform easily accessible to people who aren't inclined to search the internet for apps and are, in fact, afraid of doing it for all the malware experiences they have on their PCs. They know the App Store has everything, and that they can reasonably expect that the apps wo…

The control that Apple has over the iPhone and the application distribution channel does contribute greatly to the iPhone's success. Does it really? The iPhone was hugely successful well before there was an App Store.

Yeah, you couldn't install any applications on the device, which is the ultimate control. You can easily argue that the device is much more open now that developers are able to create the 150,000 apps that have been downloaded more than 3 billion times.

Re: IPad thoughts from Ben Fry (creator of Processing)

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The worst enemy of freedom in software is not Microsoft, it's Apple. You're pretty free to develop and distribute software as you want on Windows. On new Apple devices, they control the way the software is distributed, they tax you, they make you obey their rules. Imagine a world with appstore as the main way of distributing software for any kind of devices. This would be hell. This is where Apple is going. Stop usin…

Sad to see so logically flawed argument getting upvoted—that means many of us don't bother to think any more and vote purely on "four legs good, two legs bad" mentality.

  The worst enemy of freedom in software is not Microsoft,
  it's Apple.
Makes no sense. Neither MS nor Apple are enemies of freedom of software. Apple is using a lot of OSS, contributes a lot to several projects, pushes for open web.

  You're pretty free to develop and distribute software as you want on Windows.
And? You are just as free on OS X. And OS X kernel is open source. Can you get Windows kernel source?

  On new Apple devices, they control the way the software
  is distributed
Yes. And that's because it's a win for majority of the users of said devices, not because Apple is "the enemy of free software". BTW, how does an Apple App Store compares to Zune marketplace? I guess the latter gives you more freedom?

  they tax you,
Huh?

  they make you obey their rules
And who doesn't? If you don't like the rules, don't buy Apple is as simple as that.

  Imagine a world with appstore as the main way of
  distributing software for any kind of devices.
  This would be hell.
That would be hell because? That would be hell to whom? To those who want to have a convenient way to buy apps, without worries about making backups, with easy way to get upgrades, without a fear of getting malware?

  Stop using Apple.
No, I won't. It gives me the biggest freedom so far.

  Use Linux
Then worry more about making linux more useable to ordinary people, who care about usability, not some fuzzy freedom ideals.

  or if you can't, use Microsoft.
Thank you, but no thank you. You don't need Apple to tell how you use your devices, I don't need you to tell what I should or should not use.

Re: IPad thoughts from Ben Fry (creator of Processing)

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The worst enemy of freedom in software is not Microsoft, it's Apple. You're pretty free to develop and distribute software as you want on Windows. On new Apple devices, they control the way the software is distributed, they tax you, they make you obey their rules. Imagine a world with appstore as the main way of distributing software for any kind of devices. This would be hell. This is where Apple is going. Stop usin…

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Re: IPad thoughts from Ben Fry (creator of Processing)

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post #3

The worst enemy of freedom in software is not Microsoft, it's Apple. You're pretty free to develop and distribute software as you want on Windows. On new Apple devices, they control the way the software is distributed, they tax you, they make you obey their rules. Imagine a world with appstore as the main way of distributing software for any kind of devices. This would be hell. This is where Apple is going. Stop usin…

Sad to see so logically flawed argument getting upvoted—that means many of us don't bother to think any more and vote purely on "four legs good, two legs bad" mentality. The worst enemy of freedom in software is not Microsoft, it's Apple. Makes no sense. Neither MS nor Apple are enemies of freedom of software. Apple is using a lot of OSS, contributes a lot to several projects, pushes for open web. You're pretty free…

I'm pretty sure he means they tax developers at 30% of each sale, whereas you could just sell your shit independently and save yourself that 30%.

Just say you sell an application for $4.99, this means Apple takes around $1.50. If you sell 100k copies, Apple is gouging you $150,000.

Great, you don't really care because you made $350,000. Not so; You're going to lose a shitload of that to the IRS. In essence we're looking at being double-taxed. It sucks.

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