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The U.S. has ‘worst elections of any long-established democracy,’ report finds

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Re: The U.S. has ‘worst elections of any long-established democracy,’ report finds

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Post by aaron-lebo »

kelukelugames wrote: post #10
aaron-lebo wrote: post #2

People aren't willing to make their politicians accountable. It's always the other person's fault, the other side's extremes; never their own. You've got Clinton running an email server exposed to the world as secretary of state, ignoring warnings about it and then lying about it. Yet she will probably end up getting elected because it's all a "Republican conspiracy". Meanwhile, Trump is calling a judge's ruling into…

Can you please provide a link to the tweet? Thanks.

It has since been deleted, but updated the original post with a source.

Re: The U.S. has ‘worst elections of any long-established democracy,’ report finds

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Post by vaadu »

RyanMcGreal wrote: post #6
aaron-lebo wrote: post #2

People aren't willing to make their politicians accountable. It's always the other person's fault, the other side's extremes; never their own. You've got Clinton running an email server exposed to the world as secretary of state, ignoring warnings about it and then lying about it. Yet she will probably end up getting elected because it's all a "Republican conspiracy". Meanwhile, Trump is calling a judge's ruling into…

> Then there's Bernie who refuses to aknowledge any extremes of socialism. One of these criticisms is not like the others. Sanders is a moderate democratic socialist - in any other industrialized country, he'd be considered mildly left of centre. Let's not equate his slightly out-of-step politics with the actual abuses and mendacities of the other candidates.

Which is why their economies suck. Centralized planning is an utter failure.

https://mises.org/blog/if-sweden-and-germany-became-us-state...

Re: The U.S. has ‘worst elections of any long-established democracy,’ report finds

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Post by vaadu »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #2

People aren't willing to make their politicians accountable. It's always the other person's fault, the other side's extremes; never their own. You've got Clinton running an email server exposed to the world as secretary of state, ignoring warnings about it and then lying about it. Yet she will probably end up getting elected because it's all a "Republican conspiracy". Meanwhile, Trump is calling a judge's ruling into…

Obama's election says otherwise.

Trump's and Cruz's victories say otherwise.

Re: The U.S. has ‘worst elections of any long-established democracy,’ report finds

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Post by colordrops »

vaadu wrote: post #12
RyanMcGreal wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then there's Bernie who refuses to aknowledge any extremes of socialism. One of these criticisms is not like the others. Sanders is a moderate democratic socialist - in any other industrialized country, he'd be considered mildly left of centre. Let's not equate his slightly out-of-step politics with the actual abuses and mendacities of the other candidates.

Which is why their economies suck. Centralized planning is an utter failure. https://mises.org/blog/if-sweden-and-germany-became-us-state...

The economy is not the only, or even the main, measure of a nation's success. Even if it were, the US is not at the top in many important economic measures, so the evidence seems to go against your thesis.

Re: The U.S. has ‘worst elections of any long-established democracy,’ report finds

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Post by woah »

vaadu wrote: post #12
RyanMcGreal wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then there's Bernie who refuses to aknowledge any extremes of socialism. One of these criticisms is not like the others. Sanders is a moderate democratic socialist - in any other industrialized country, he'd be considered mildly left of centre. Let's not equate his slightly out-of-step politics with the actual abuses and mendacities of the other candidates.

Which is why their economies suck. Centralized planning is an utter failure. https://mises.org/blog/if-sweden-and-germany-became-us-state...

Germany?

Re: The U.S. has ‘worst elections of any long-established democracy,’ report finds

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Post by lettergram »

RyanMcGreal wrote: post #6
aaron-lebo wrote: post #2

People aren't willing to make their politicians accountable. It's always the other person's fault, the other side's extremes; never their own. You've got Clinton running an email server exposed to the world as secretary of state, ignoring warnings about it and then lying about it. Yet she will probably end up getting elected because it's all a "Republican conspiracy". Meanwhile, Trump is calling a judge's ruling into…

> Then there's Bernie who refuses to aknowledge any extremes of socialism. One of these criticisms is not like the others. Sanders is a moderate democratic socialist - in any other industrialized country, he'd be considered mildly left of centre. Let's not equate his slightly out-of-step politics with the actual abuses and mendacities of the other candidates.

His economic plan would require all the wealth produced by the top 100 U.S. companies. He also previously and openly called for nationalization of U.S. companies. Oh and if you look at his past votes they're almost all opposite of his campaign.

Bernie isn't a moderate (by U.S. standards anyways) he's far left.

I'll give it to you Hillery and Trump are also awful, but they are all pretty distasteful.

Re: The U.S. has ‘worst elections of any long-established democracy,’ report finds

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Post by walshemj »

danharaj wrote: post #4
aaron-lebo wrote: post #2

People aren't willing to make their politicians accountable. It's always the other person's fault, the other side's extremes; never their own. You've got Clinton running an email server exposed to the world as secretary of state, ignoring warnings about it and then lying about it. Yet she will probably end up getting elected because it's all a "Republican conspiracy". Meanwhile, Trump is calling a judge's ruling into…

> People aren't willing to make their party accountable. Consider the possibility that party politics and bureaucracy are set up to perpetuate their internal power structures and make outside interference costly. It's "their" party in the sense that constituents are blamed for the failure of the political system but the system is set up so that no individual can constructively engage with the system without incredibl…

Given both Trump and Bernie (to a lesser extent) it looks like both the main parties are pretty crap at this.

Basically Both American political parties are still 18th century alliances with no strong party discipline.

Re: The U.S. has ‘worst elections of any long-established democracy,’ report finds

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Post by SpacemanSpiff »

vaadu wrote: post #12
RyanMcGreal wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then there's Bernie who refuses to aknowledge any extremes of socialism. One of these criticisms is not like the others. Sanders is a moderate democratic socialist - in any other industrialized country, he'd be considered mildly left of centre. Let's not equate his slightly out-of-step politics with the actual abuses and mendacities of the other candidates.

Which is why their economies suck. Centralized planning is an utter failure. https://mises.org/blog/if-sweden-and-germany-became-us-state...

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EDIT: Source: https://mises.org/about-mises They are based here: 518 West Magnolia Avenue Auburn, Alabama 36832-4501

Re: The U.S. has ‘worst elections of any long-established democracy,’ report finds

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Post by aaron-lebo »

vaadu wrote: post #13
aaron-lebo wrote: post #2

People aren't willing to make their politicians accountable. It's always the other person's fault, the other side's extremes; never their own. You've got Clinton running an email server exposed to the world as secretary of state, ignoring warnings about it and then lying about it. Yet she will probably end up getting elected because it's all a "Republican conspiracy". Meanwhile, Trump is calling a judge's ruling into…

Obama's election says otherwise. Trump's and Cruz's victories say otherwise.

Obama couldn't get anything done for 8 years becuase of massive obstructionism, fueled by a persecution complex on both sides.

Trump and Cruz are ideologues which have valid criticisms of some things but take those to extremes. Cruz acts like Christians are getting beheaded on American streets in his complaints about religious liberty.

It's just more of the same in different packaging. The other party is "the enemy" instead of people with valid complaints to be engaged.

Re: The U.S. has ‘worst elections of any long-established democracy,’ report finds

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Post by walshemj »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #2

People aren't willing to make their politicians accountable. It's always the other person's fault, the other side's extremes; never their own. You've got Clinton running an email server exposed to the world as secretary of state, ignoring warnings about it and then lying about it. Yet she will probably end up getting elected because it's all a "Republican conspiracy". Meanwhile, Trump is calling a judge's ruling into…

well to do that you'd need to move to 1m1v (one member one vote) and scrap the primary system.
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