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Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by Animats »

adventured wrote: post #171
rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #74

Symptom of a bigger problem: nobody in the criminal justice system is punished for making the wrong move. There is no law enforcement downside to civil asset forfeiture. Officer-involved shootings are discouraged from prosecution or otherwise involve highly-paid "expert" witnesses saying the officer had no other choice - at taxpayer expense. Prosecutors are valued by the number of wins, not by how many innocent peopl…

> Symptom of a bigger problem: nobody in the criminal justice system is punished for making the wrong move Step 1) End all police unions. There desperately needs to be a federal law prohibiting the formation of any police union anywhere in the United States. (we'll add this to the list of things that will never happen)

Soldiers aren't allowed to unionize. Some tried it during the Vietnam war. It didn't work.

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by freditup »

Unklejoe wrote: post #427
Gibbon1 wrote: post #413

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Among the friends I knew the body count is Prescription Drugs: 2 Alcohol: 3 Heroin: 0 Methamphetamine: 0 Cannabis: 0 Two people I know. Their brothers both died from Oxycontin(tm). Specifically pulmonary talcosis. You get pulmonary talcosis from the talc government made the manufacturer add specifically to kill junkies.

I personally knew 5 people who have died from a drug overdose, and that drug was heroin in all 5 cases. They all actually started off by abusing prescription opiates, but moved to heroin after they ran out of money. However, my area is known for being a heroin hot spot. I live in a decent middle class town about 15 minutes away from Camden, NJ. My high school was known as "heroin high". The problem with heroin is tha…

I was in downtown Camden, NJ once a couple years ago, being given a tour by a black pastor who's focus was on helping the poor of Camden turn away from drug addictions. (Point being, he knew the city very well, and knew its drug problem very well.)

It was an absolutely astonishing time. Camden literally felt like it had just been through a war: desolate buildings, so many people homeless on the streets, people desperate for food. It's hard to describe just how bad this city was.

I can't diagnose all the root causes behind why Camden is so messed-up, but this pastor pointed to the heroin epidemic primarily.

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by ipsin »

harryh wrote: post #357
facetube wrote: post #344

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How do you propose to detect when the reason is fabricated? Legal systems need to be able to detect insider attacks on themselves.

This is why someone who has assets confiscated can make a claim (with a very low burden of proof) to get them back. People here are making it sound like that doing this is incredibly difficult or expensive but it's really not.

The Christian rock band raising money for a Thai orphanage[1] was a slam dunk, in terms of this so-called "low burden of proof", but it still took them two months to get their money back.

(Edited to add: I just realized they didn't actually get their money back. They got a check. Yep. You can generally cash those for free if you have a bank account.)

Imagine the situation of someone whose circumstances are less clear, or who can't otherwise afford to stay in one place and fight the seizure for however long it actually takes.

What happens to the person who just had all of their money taken away?

[1] http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/months-after-53-00...

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by ipsin »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #95
redditplebs wrote: post #93

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Time to lookup ERAD Inc. online. Fun times ahead!

I'm already spinning up a comprehensive FOIA request with MuckRock.com. Feel free to reply to my comment if anyone would like to collaborate.

I'm interested in three things:

1) ERAD training materials disseminated to law enforcement agencies (LEAs).

2) Correspondence between those LEAs and DHS, or occurring in DHS forums, regarding ERAD technology.

3) DHS reports, studies or memoranda mentioning ERAD usage in the field by DHS or any other agency.

I figure DHS Science & Technology Directorate might not be the right target. Should I just aim at DHS directly, or is there a specific group that would handle those connections between DHS and other law enforcement?

Should I structure this as three separate requests?

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Post by voidz »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #413
tamana wrote: post #396

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I know legal protections apply to criminals, but it is hard to win a political battle against the cops who busted a big time dealer of life-destroying drugs (heroin)

Among the friends I knew the body count is Prescription Drugs: 2 Alcohol: 3 Heroin: 0 Methamphetamine: 0 Cannabis: 0 Two people I know. Their brothers both died from Oxycontin(tm). Specifically pulmonary talcosis. You get pulmonary talcosis from the talc government made the manufacturer add specifically to kill junkies.

Mhm. I'll bite. Got a source? Government wants kill people who use a lot of Oxycontin to kill the people who snort it or something?

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Post by gohrt »

hackaflocka wrote: post #329
dragonwriter wrote: post #274

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Its not a particularly surprising choice of examples for a Republican politician upset about the practice that wants to highlight targeted groups to whom his constituency is likely to be sympathetic.

I agree 100%. Still, one group (single moms) is generally despised by them, and the other is favored.

The politically-correct sympathetic "single mom" is referring to widows and abandoned women, not a pregnant single woman.

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Post by gohrt »

facetube wrote: post #224
cmdrfred wrote: post #181

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Last revolution was the civil war. The people at the top forgot what the people at the bottom are capable of.

I hope it doesn't come to this. IMO the people cheering on Trump as a way of "getting the nightmare out of the way and moving on" need to study and understand the human cost incurred the last time that happened.

One pillar of the traditional Republican support for Israel is the Christian effort to usher in the apocalyptic war that will bring forth the second coming of Jesus Christ.

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Post by mSparks »

deciplex wrote: post #428
Crito wrote: post #426

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> "The fact remains he did not call him racist" This is a pointless charade that fools nobody.

Sorry, what is the charade? Do white people ignore the problems of minorities in the US or not? If so, is pointing out the fact of it promoting hate? At any rate, he did not call him a racist. That's not really up for discussion since the text is right there.

Although it's funny watching you guys fight.

Isn't the basic problem how much money the US government has spent improving the supply of heroin from Afghanistan after the taliban completely destroyed it during their 2001 rise to power.

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