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Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by balls187 »

oolongCat wrote: post #61

I come from an Asian country, we are used to bribes, crooked politicians, government workers etc etc. To me the USA was the place where Neil Armstrong lived, it was the country that gave me so much that I was thankful for, it was a country where the words "Freedom of speech" ruled above everything. To me it was the country I wanted to be in if I had a wish. Little by little, that idea I had of the united states is be…

A lot changed after 9/11. The US Government took the public's irrational fear of Terrorism and used that to usher in sweeping reforms against personal liberty, under the guise "War on Terror."

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Post by sundvor »

As a Norwegian/Australian, I'm just shaking my head reading this. Sorry, I have nothing but reactionary drivel to add - but I wouldn't be surprised if this was to further (if that's even possible) increase US gun violence. For personal protection against robbery. This now appears as a marginally valid reason for your gun ownership; if they're going to take all your assets on a whim, leaving you with nothing to fend for, what have you got to lose? I mean, how do you survive in the "no handout" US with no money anyway?

This is the rich looking after the rich in the most corrupt and reprehensible way possible, see how this is going to work out for you as resentment grows in the population roots.

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Post by dimino »

jMyles wrote: post #277
fapjacks wrote: post #247

This is the crux here. The "rule of law" is equivalent to "rule of men in black with automatic weapons". If you call the police, you are just outsourcing your violence to the men in black uniforms with automatic weapons. Because at the end of the day, they will use force. The "rule of law" is not "let's have a reasonable conversation about the issues".

"Rule of law" is supposed to mean that, absent adherence to its letter, self-defense with weapons of your own is not only proper but essential in order for liberty to persevere. Although your anarchic mindset is appealing to me, I'm less ready to give up on the phrase and concept of "rule of law," which I think still has a place in a free information age.

It's literally meant to mean the opposite of that.

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Post by stonemetal »

sangfroid wrote: post #197
linkregister wrote: post #24

From the article: State Sen. Kyle Loveless, R-Oklahoma City, said that removes due process and the belief that a suspect is presumed innocent until proven guilty. He said we've already seen cases in Oklahoma where police are abusing the system. "We've seen single mom's stuff be taken, a cancer survivor his drugs taken, we saw a Christian band being taken. We've seen innocent people's stuff being taken. We've seen whe…

If you have not been charged with a crime, can you just refuse to hand over your cards?

Yes, that would be the fourth amendment.

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Post by eloisius »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #95
redditplebs wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time to lookup ERAD Inc. online. Fun times ahead!

I'm already spinning up a comprehensive FOIA request with MuckRock.com. Feel free to reply to my comment if anyone would like to collaborate.

I'd like to see what you come up with.

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Post by gozur88 »

hackuser wrote: post #131
stackus wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're never charged with a crime, the object is and it is not given representation. So there's no "innocent until proven guilty" for inanimate objects. Despicable, and akin to highway robbery in my opinion.

The objects are property, and people have property rights.

Sure, people have property rights, which, in this case, they've stripped without due process. Or indeed, any process at all.

There's no way I'd carry a bank card in OK.

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Post by tremon »

tajen wrote: post #298
facetube wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A whole lot is wrong. I was born here and love the country, but increasingly fear for my safety and well-being: our employer pays nearly $20,000 per year for NHS-equivalent health insurance (two adults, no children), basic prescriptions cause multi-month fights due to claim denials on drugs my doctor instructed me to take, patent trolling is endemic and a real threat to small bootstrapped companies, a pathological li…

You forgot: the TSA, the "warning shots in the chest" (it's a meme), the 6% of black people currently in prison, the 1% of all population currently in prison, the freedom you export (another meme - yes I'm talking about the drone-based assinations outsourced to private companies), and the NSA patently ignoring any interpretation-by-a-reasonable-man of the constitution. But it really cheers my heart that there are so…

Let's hope that if your country falls into that trap, there will be an even bigger country to come and save you, like you did for us in 1944.

That would be Russia, China, or Canada.

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Post by hackaflocka »

dragonwriter wrote: post #274
hackaflocka wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting choice of examples: Single moms, Christian band. (By the way, I know lots of Christian bands that are pro medical-marijuana). (Edited to change "marijuana" to "medical-marijuana".)

Its not a particularly surprising choice of examples for a Republican politician upset about the practice that wants to highlight targeted groups to whom his constituency is likely to be sympathetic.

I agree 100%. Still, one group (single moms) is generally despised by them, and the other is favored.

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Post by kstrauser »

jjawssd wrote: post #279
kstrauser wrote: post #228

Do you want to be called pigs? Because this is how you get called pigs. I'm a very law-and-order guy, but I have zero sympathy for police departments who pull shenanigans like this and then bitch and moan that their communities don't respect them. This gives limitless ammo to critics who want to paint police as noncaring, profit-driven thugs, probably endangering officers' lives in the process. What an utterly despic…

They don't care what they are called -- they just sit back and count the dough

I bet the men and women on the street care a whole lot what they're called by the people they're supposed to protect. I bet they don't like it when their kid comes home crying because the other kids add school make fun of him for having a police officer for a parent. They're the ones who need to speak up - get their union involved if necessary - and tell their bureaucracies to knock it off.
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