Earlier quoted context omitted.
Time to lookup ERAD Inc. online. Fun times ahead!
I'm already spinning up a comprehensive FOIA request with MuckRock.com. Feel free to reply to my comment if anyone would like to collaborate.
thank you
Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards
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#212So a highway patrol officer can ask to see my license, and I'm supposed to show it.
Now they're asking to see my entire wallet?! I'm assuming we're all well within our rights to refuse to hand over our wallets?
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#213I've seen it said before and I'll say it again. Anyone who works for companies who make products like this in any capacity should be blacklisted in the industry. The missing scruples here could fill several large containers.
I've always wondered about the people engineering devices like this, the people at Harris Corp. creating Stingrays and other surveillance platforms, how they feel about their work. Listing individual employees might be a bit much, but we could certainly create one of companies involved. Unfortunately I fear it would be a long list.
Most people don't have a moral backbone nearly as string as they think they do. There was an article last week, posted here IIRC, about a an adware company in the northeast that was apparently a pretty good employer other than morally and ethically repugnant nature of the product being created. Several of the employees interviewed talked about the mental hoops they jumped through to justify working there.
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#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're never charged with a crime, the object is and it is not given representation. So there's no "innocent until proven guilty" for inanimate objects. Despicable, and akin to highway robbery in my opinion.
> You're never charged with a crime, the object is and it is not given representation. No one and nothing is charged with a crime in civil asset forfeiture.
But you do end up with amusing case names like "United States v. $124,700 in U.S. Currency" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._$124,700_in_U...).
The currency is defined as the defendant in the case.
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#215From the article: State Sen. Kyle Loveless, R-Oklahoma City, said that removes due process and the belief that a suspect is presumed innocent until proven guilty. He said we've already seen cases in Oklahoma where police are abusing the system. "We've seen single mom's stuff be taken, a cancer survivor his drugs taken, we saw a Christian band being taken. We've seen innocent people's stuff being taken. We've seen whe…
If you have not been charged with a crime, can you just refuse to hand over your cards?
Then they charge you for obstruction (or whatever it's called in oklahoma, in french it's called "entrave à un agent de la paix")
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#216"If you can prove can prove that you have a legitimate reason to have that money it will be given back to you." - Well my grandma saved it for me when I was a child. - Prove it. - Sorry but she's dead and I moved it to a new bank account two years ago. - Yeah sure. This is just disgusting.
Your comment illustrates a complete misunderstanding of the burden of proof in these cases.
In the situation you describe a simple bank statement from "2 years ago" would be more than enough to meet the "preponderance of evidence" standard for these cases.
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#217> Here's how it works. If a trooper suspects you may have money tied to some type of crime, the highway patrol can scan any cards you have and seize the money. Given the low-threshold for seizure and how we've seen civil-asset forfeiture exercised by law enforcement, that's terrifying.
Agreed: "We've seen single mom's stuff be taken, a cancer survivor his drugs taken, we saw a Christian band being taken. We've seen innocent people's stuff being taken. We've seen where the money goes and how it's been misspent," Loveless said. It boggles the mind that this doesn't violate due process.
Not disagreeing with you but that quote is specifically about standard CAF, nothing to do with this new card process.
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#218Radley Balko talks about this article and has links to more details of past asset forfeiture abuses in Oklahoma:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2016/06/08/...
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#219"If you can prove can prove that you have a legitimate reason to have that money it will be given back to you." - Well my grandma saved it for me when I was a child. - Prove it. - Sorry but she's dead and I moved it to a new bank account two years ago. - Yeah sure. This is just disgusting.
Your comment illustrates a complete misunderstanding of the burden of proof in these cases. In the situation you describe a simple bank statement from "2 years ago" would be more than enough to meet the "preponderance of evidence" standard for these cases.
More than a misunderstanding: an intentional abuse.
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#220That is physically revolting. First you have civil-asset forfeiture that let's police seize money from you when you are carrying large amounts of cash (with a generous false positive rate potentially disastrous to victims). Now to get around that, you could try handling everything by card or bank transaction (unless you're one of the unfortunate few without access to a bank account due to low credit rating or other l…
A whole lot is wrong. I was born here and love the country, but increasingly fear for my safety and well-being: our employer pays nearly $20,000 per year for NHS-equivalent health insurance (two adults, no children), basic prescriptions cause multi-month fights due to claim denials on drugs my doctor instructed me to take, patent trolling is endemic and a real threat to small bootstrapped companies, a pathological liar is one step away from the White House and lending legitimacy to anti-first-amendment and white supremacist groups, literal highway robbery is real, and as best as I can tell money has come to be held above life itself.
I'm profoundly disillusioned, and not sure where to go from here.