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Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by jeffdavis »

moribondus wrote: post #380

The police will keep encroaching until they meet some kind of resistance, which will not easily materialize because people here would be the first ones to utterly condemn respect-instilling reprisals. If everybody else around you accepts to get arbitrarily molested in the butt, you either accept it too, or else you move out. I have personally chosen to move out. Unfortunately, you can see the United Nations, USAID, i…

The chance of a random fight against police accomplishing anything good is 0%. The chance it makes things worse is 100%.

And organizing violence is not particularly easy. For something like civil forfeiture, it would be much easier to just follow the democratic process.

So collect signatures, call representatives, state legislators, and stage protests at city halls. A lot less painful for all parties, and a greater chance of success.

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Post by orbitingpluto »

orbitingpluto wrote: post #400
tamana wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's not to understand? Money is money, it spends just as well regardless of who gave it to you.

These cards are predatory because they have fees to withdraw, fees to not have the card expire and your money go poof, and even fees to even check your balance. Some states have enacted laws (Illinois is one I believe) that prohibits employers using these cards if the employee does not wish to use one. Employers use these cards because the debit card providers are willing to take on the cost of payroll for the privil…

Why is this being downvoted? I guess a couple of you pay your employees in this manner?

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Post by Gibbon1 »

tamana wrote: post #396
cornchips wrote: post #359

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Yes, evil. As is Sergeant Rob Hain (of Chicago) who uploaded this... "Sheriff's Deputy Ron Hain improperly detained Marsh after issuing him a warning and continued questioning him when he should have been free to leave, Barsanti ruled. The questioning led to Marsh's admission he was carrying a gun, which prompted further searches of his truck, phones, GPS and eventually the storage lockers." "The discovery was made b…

I know legal protections apply to criminals, but it is hard to win a political battle against the cops who busted a big time dealer of life-destroying drugs (heroin)

Among the friends I knew the body count is

Prescription Drugs: 2 Alcohol: 3 Heroin: 0 Methamphetamine: 0 Cannabis: 0

Two people I know. Their brothers both died from Oxycontin(tm). Specifically pulmonary talcosis. You get pulmonary talcosis from the talc government made the manufacturer add specifically to kill junkies.

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Post by refurb »

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #301
tajen wrote: post #278

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Bonus question: In countries that are still exempt from highway police robbery such as in Europe, what can we do to avoid gliding towards it? Isn't HPR a natural evolution of the increased number of police agents after massive terrorist attacks, like the two we've just had in France?

Simple: pay for things you need. Over the last few decades the American people have been conned into this idea that government is fundamentally too big and needs to be shrunk because of reasons. People save a few measly percentage points on taxes that help pay for the axle damage on their car after being driven over roads that are no longer repaired. Municipalities had to find ways to recoup costs from slashed state…

Municipalities had to find ways to recoup costs from slashed state and federal budgets

When was the last time you saw any gov't budget go down? I'd say never.

The gov't has more than enough money. The problem is where and how they spend it.

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Post by downandout »

downandout wrote: post #350
adrr wrote: post #347

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I wonder if it works on payroll cards that many low income people get in lieu of a traditional payday check. They are very similar to prepaid debit cards.

In almost cases, payroll cards are just prepaid cards that an employer has setup with a given prepaid card company for employees that don't have bank accounts, so yes.

Just noticed my typo, but its too late to fix. I was torn between "almost all cases" and "most cases" and wound up with "almost cases" lol.

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Post by mangeletti »

tamana wrote: post #399
mangeletti wrote: post #346

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Edit: After feedback, I deleted my snarky comment, which I wrote based on misunderstanding the use of "plain-old".

It's best to just avoid snarky comments completely.

In your opinion.

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Post by ksou32 »

Digit-Al wrote: post #255

As an Englishman, I have a couple of questions for you Americans on here. 1) Does anyone know who came up with these "civil asset forfeitures"? (Personally, they seem most un-civil to me.) 2) Can any of you defend America as "the land of the free" when more of the population are in prison than in almost any other country in the word and the police not only have the power to strip you of your property and assets witho…

America is a racist nation, if you target Black and Brown people much of this nation has no problem with constant violations of basic rights .

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by ksou32 »

Digit-Al wrote: post #255

As an Englishman, I have a couple of questions for you Americans on here. 1) Does anyone know who came up with these "civil asset forfeitures"? (Personally, they seem most un-civil to me.) 2) Can any of you defend America as "the land of the free" when more of the population are in prison than in almost any other country in the word and the police not only have the power to strip you of your property and assets witho…

America is a racist nation, if you target Black and Brown people much of this nation has no problem with constant violations of basic rights .

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Post by facetube »

harryh wrote: post #357
facetube wrote: post #344

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How do you propose to detect when the reason is fabricated? Legal systems need to be able to detect insider attacks on themselves.

This is why someone who has assets confiscated can make a claim (with a very low burden of proof) to get them back. People here are making it sound like that doing this is incredibly difficult or expensive but it's really not.

Depriving someone of their property – even temporarily – and forcing them to spend otherwise profitable time making a claim to get it back is a form of damage. What you're proposing would allow agents of the government to damage people as frequently as they wanted, with impunity.

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Post by GigabyteCoin »

>"We're gonna look for different factors in the way that you're acting,” Oklahoma Highway Patrol Lt. John Vincent said. “We're gonna look for if there's a difference in your story. If there's someway that we can prove that you're falsifying information to us about your business."

So basically... guilty until proven innocent?

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