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Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by mjevans »

ASpring wrote: post #63
mjevans wrote: post #49

While the data might show these correlations I disagree on the premise that is reached as a result. It is not just economic stratification, but cultural differences. Those who have great wealth, and are not celebrity, tend to respect education, or at least attending 'upper tier academic institutions' for their upper society connections. Among this group of people knowledge /is/ power and it is respected. In economica…

> I suggest that the culture must change to enshrine knowledge and intellect How do you suggest to do this?

I too am still only human; within my many flaws are gaps in my knowledge, experience, and ability that limit my capacity for solving this issue to a personal level.

That is, I try to set a good example and help those closest to me when I am able.

Maybe you or someone else has a solution that scales better?

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by mffhts »

kentrado wrote: post #88
ausjke wrote: post #76

Why blacks are not doing well? Because they were from Africa, but new immigrants from Africa came to US earn a pretty decent life quickly than those have been here centuries ago. Because they're minority, but other minorities such as the Jews and Asians are working hard and earning a decent life here. Because of less chance to get education, but you have affirmative action that you can get into decent college at a hu…

I don't usually write responses and I don't have much time to write you a detailed explanation of history. But are you aware that there are living black people who still remember segregation and Jim Crow? It wasn't that long ago. The idea that just because recently you decided to treat niggers like human beings, they should instantly have the same level as people who were never treated as subhuman in this US of A, is…

Read 'Black Family in Slavery and Freedom' by Gutman.

There are many metrics by which the black family is doing worse now than it was during slavery. E.g. Teenage pregnancy and female headed households have gone up, with a large spike from the 1960s. Black teenage unemployment was also lower than white teenage unemployment for several years in the 40s.

It can be debated what impact slavery has had, but slavery cannot be blamed for the reversal of these key trends.

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by mffhts »

randombacon2 wrote: post #89
ausjke wrote: post #76

Why blacks are not doing well? Because they were from Africa, but new immigrants from Africa came to US earn a pretty decent life quickly than those have been here centuries ago. Because they're minority, but other minorities such as the Jews and Asians are working hard and earning a decent life here. Because of less chance to get education, but you have affirmative action that you can get into decent college at a hu…

I think it's mostly cultural. I don't know of any other culture where the idea of shunning success is so widespread. People are made fun of for "acting white", studying, or shunned for "not being black".

Very true, same ideology was/is prevalent among the lower class in certain parts of England. (See Theodore Dalrymple)

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by dragandj »

kentrado wrote: post #88
ausjke wrote: post #76

Why blacks are not doing well? Because they were from Africa, but new immigrants from Africa came to US earn a pretty decent life quickly than those have been here centuries ago. Because they're minority, but other minorities such as the Jews and Asians are working hard and earning a decent life here. Because of less chance to get education, but you have affirmative action that you can get into decent college at a hu…

I don't usually write responses and I don't have much time to write you a detailed explanation of history. But are you aware that there are living black people who still remember segregation and Jim Crow? It wasn't that long ago. The idea that just because recently you decided to treat niggers like human beings, they should instantly have the same level as people who were never treated as subhuman in this US of A, is…

I think that his argument was that other minorities do much better, despite also being hugely disadvantaged.

Not to mention immigrants, who often go to USA with noting else than a bag of clotes and a desire to work hard and get a better life, and they do pretty well as a group.

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by facepalm »

ausjke wrote: post #76

Why blacks are not doing well? Because they were from Africa, but new immigrants from Africa came to US earn a pretty decent life quickly than those have been here centuries ago. Because they're minority, but other minorities such as the Jews and Asians are working hard and earning a decent life here. Because of less chance to get education, but you have affirmative action that you can get into decent college at a hu…

The original blacks who came to the US were not immigrants, they were slaves. For one thing there might be a bias in immigrants that doesn't apply to slaves, like having a certain education or wealth (immigrating tends to cost money). And immigrants are free to buy books, slaves presumably weren't.

I agree it is probably a culture thing, but society as a whole created that culture.

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by WillPostForFood »

kentrado wrote: post #88
ausjke wrote: post #76

Why blacks are not doing well? Because they were from Africa, but new immigrants from Africa came to US earn a pretty decent life quickly than those have been here centuries ago. Because they're minority, but other minorities such as the Jews and Asians are working hard and earning a decent life here. Because of less chance to get education, but you have affirmative action that you can get into decent college at a hu…

I don't usually write responses and I don't have much time to write you a detailed explanation of history. But are you aware that there are living black people who still remember segregation and Jim Crow? It wasn't that long ago. The idea that just because recently you decided to treat niggers like human beings, they should instantly have the same level as people who were never treated as subhuman in this US of A, is…

When you attempt to incite with such inflammatory language, do you consider how a black person might feel reading it? It isn't necessary to make your point.

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by facepalm »

themartorana wrote: post #38
ashwinaj wrote: post #34

One of the comments I get people who visit India (I'm Indian) is that how is there a slum next to a swanky high rise or classy residential/commercial areas (at least in most big cities). I don't really have an explanation for this (lack of space, cheap labor etc.), but the more I read about economic segregation in the US the more I'm convinced that the inadvertent mixed income neighborhoods in India could be a soluti…

Huge disclaimer. This is how it was explained to me by my Indian host while I was working in India. I remarked to someone basically the same thing - not only was it incredible that slums - corrugated-cardboard-house slums - sat right next to the 5 star hotel my company put me up in, but they were relatively safe . One night we were walking through a slum because an Indian gentleman wanted to expound on my remark, and…

I find that Hindu bit fascinating because it is presumably what allows so many people to coexist on so little space. However, it is also a very convenient belief for the people who are better off. Kind of like the meritocracy on speed.

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by archeopterix »

Terribledactyl wrote: post #61
lacker wrote: post #55

Hmm, wait a moment. 59% of white kids moved up. 43% of white kids moved down. Even accounting for rounding, there's no way to get those numbers. It's even worse in other places: 25% of black kids had parents who grew up in the bottom two levels and moved up at least one. 78% of black kids had parents who grew up in the top three levels and moved down at least one. Those two groups should sum to less than 100%, certai…

These numbers could be skewed from unequal number of children per parent in these different groups. Successful parents might have many more or fewer children.

But children are integers.

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Post by [deleted] »

mffhts wrote: post #92
kentrado wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't usually write responses and I don't have much time to write you a detailed explanation of history. But are you aware that there are living black people who still remember segregation and Jim Crow? It wasn't that long ago. The idea that just because recently you decided to treat niggers like human beings, they should instantly have the same level as people who were never treated as subhuman in this US of A, is…

Read 'Black Family in Slavery and Freedom' by Gutman. There are many metrics by which the black family is doing worse now than it was during slavery. E.g. Teenage pregnancy and female headed households have gone up, with a large spike from the 1960s. Black teenage unemployment was also lower than white teenage unemployment for several years in the 40s. It can be debated what impact slavery has had, but slavery cannot…

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