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Re: Show HN: Map of immigration to the U.S. since 1820

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Post by WildUtah » Mon, Jun 06, 2016, 11:56 PM UTC

matthewmcg wrote: post #72

PoorBloke123 wrote: post #41

Since this page states" "Most illegal immigration is not included" I'd like to see one of these representing the flow of illegal immigrants (especially from and across Mexico) since Obama won his first election (and second).

Here are some data based on community surveys. These show a net outflow during that period: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/what-we-know...

There's a new outflow of illegals from the US to Mexico since 2007. But net inflow of legal migrants from Mexico has been strong and much larger than illegal flows every one of those years.

And net inflow of illegals from Central America that cross Mexico is very high and has been rising as illegal inflows from Mexico fall.

Re: Show HN: Map of immigration to the U.S. since 1820

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Post by dmoy » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 12:18 AM UTC

notahacker wrote: post #74

dmoy wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RE: Laos in Minnesota Good chance this is actually a lot of Hmong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Hmong_in_Minnea... (source: went to school in the 90s in Minnesota, like 30% of my classmates were Hmong) Similar deal with Somali in Minneapolis - once there's critical mass of a given group in a given city, it increases the immigration pull because there's a support network. Right: if you do local stuff i…

I understand the benefits of diasporas settling in one city, just surprised it's one in Minnesota. In the UK the smaller diasporas all seem to end up concentrated in London. My favourite exception to this is Ugandan Asians fleeing Idi Amin, the majority of whom chose to settle in Leicester, a city many of them first heard of through adverts Leicester City Council took out in the Ugandan press addressed to "the many f…

Some, in the case of Hmong and Somali, are because of groups in Minnesota encouraging the migration specifically to Minnesota. This is a reasonable recap of the Somali side:

http://tcdailyplanet.tumblr.com/post/7081807388/ask-a-somali...

TL;DR - Lutherans

Re: Show HN: Map of immigration to the U.S. since 1820

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Post by devdas » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 12:20 AM UTC

ktRolster wrote: post #33

In the last 10 years, immigration has really picked up from all over the world, whereas earlier it was just a few countries.

There were laws restricting immigration from non-white countries.

Re: Show HN: Map of immigration to the U.S. since 1820

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Post by wtbob » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 12:27 AM UTC

k__ wrote: post #7

Didn't know so much Germans came to the US back in the days.

Germans are the single largest ethnic group in the U.S., even larger than descendants of the original English founders.

Re: Show HN: Map of immigration to the U.S. since 1820

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Post by williesleg » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 12:39 AM UTC

One question, is this legal or illegal immigration? Not trying to be non-PC here, just wondering.

Re: Show HN: Map of immigration to the U.S. since 1820

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Post by mgalka » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 12:49 AM UTC

josho wrote: post #5

I love new ways to express data. But, as I see animations like this I become a little anxious as I'd like to absorb the information, but if I look too closely in one area then I risk missing a bigger pattern or trend. After watching, I'm convinced that a good old line chart would have been a better representation of the data. Perhaps with some added dynamic behaviour.

It's a fair point. An interactive stacked area chart or a dot matrix would give you the freedom to focus in and to take away a lot more information about specific trends.

My counter would be that there is more to data visualization than the quantity of information communicated. If that weren't the case, all data would be shown as numbers in spreadsheets.

This data involves population counts spanning several orders of magnitude, for 72 countries over 20 time periods. It could be shown in a chart, but one that would require some patience to figure out.

An animated map requires no reading of axis labels, no analysis of abstract lines or shapes. The meaning of everything is plainly evident. And for the minute it takes to watch, the information content is actually very high.

Re: Show HN: Map of immigration to the U.S. since 1820

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Post by gohrt » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 12:50 AM UTC

notahacker wrote: post #74

dmoy wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RE: Laos in Minnesota Good chance this is actually a lot of Hmong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Hmong_in_Minnea... (source: went to school in the 90s in Minnesota, like 30% of my classmates were Hmong) Similar deal with Somali in Minneapolis - once there's critical mass of a given group in a given city, it increases the immigration pull because there's a support network. Right: if you do local stuff i…

I understand the benefits of diasporas settling in one city, just surprised it's one in Minnesota. In the UK the smaller diasporas all seem to end up concentrated in London. My favourite exception to this is Ugandan Asians fleeing Idi Amin, the majority of whom chose to settle in Leicester, a city many of them first heard of through adverts Leicester City Council took out in the Ugandan press addressed to "the many f…

Farther back in time, Minnesota wooed Swedish immigrants as well:

https://www.google.com/#q=%22Minnesota+Immigration+Board%22

Re: Show HN: Map of immigration to the U.S. since 1820

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Post by gohrt » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 12:55 AM UTC

Maultasche wrote: post #48

oblio wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

German-Americans are (were?) the largest group in the US. It almost seems a miracle that German didn't become the main language in the US. I guess that since the dominant groups were English-speaking they had to adapt in order to get jobs.

Back then, it was like Spanish is in California. You see it everywhere, a huge number of people speak it, and there are a lot of Spanish-language media. However, English is still the dominant language. German used to be everywhere, being heard in the streets, with large numbers of German-language newspapers and cultural clubs. The Germans, being Germans, liked to organize themselves into clubs. It gradually died out,…

Tangent: Hitler's activities sent many German-speaking Jews to the USA, where they spoke German and Yiddish.

Re: Show HN: Map of immigration to the U.S. since 1820

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Post by gohrt » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 12:57 AM UTC

devdas wrote: post #83

ktRolster wrote: post #33

In the last 10 years, immigration has really picked up from all over the world, whereas earlier it was just a few countries.

There were laws restricting immigration from non-white countries.

Until 2006?

Re: Show HN: Map of immigration to the U.S. since 1820

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Post by ecesena » Tue, Jun 07, 2016, 1:01 AM UTC

notahacker wrote: post #57

Coincidentally, I saw these state by state migrant origin maps for each decade in animated form on Twitter this morning (showing numbers resident rather than numbers flowing in) http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/09/28/from-ireland-to-german... Some predictable phenomena (Cubans being the most common migrant group in Florida from 1970 onwards, Mexicans being the most common migrants in Texas and the West Coast initially…

It's really cool to see these phenomena. I'll add immigration from Italy that didn't happen until the end of 19th century (there was no Italy before 1860).

This also suggested me that it would be cool to have the states borders that change as well, as time progresses.