Earlier quoted context omitted.
Electric cars have no clutch. The Tesla is a single-gear transmission.
Is it hard to get used to a car with no clutch?
most cars don't have clutches these days.
Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
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Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given that (1) pressing the wrong pedal is a fairly common accident, (2) the driver was new to Model X, and (3) the Model X has "one pedal" driving, it's extremely likely that the driver thought she was pressing the brake. Contrary to what the husband says in the article, this problem happens to drivers of all ages.
One pedal driving? How does that work? When you take your foot off the accelerator it brakes? What about the clutch?
If I press both accelerator and brake pedals in my Model S simultaneously, it beeps at me and says 'multiple pedals pushed', then ignores me until I only press one.
Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Electric cars have no clutch. The Tesla is a single-gear transmission.
Is it hard to get used to a car with no clutch?
I drive manuals (diesels) normally, and had driven automatics a couple of times. My one drive in a Model S was a little anxious at first but I got used to it very quickly. You just have to drive responsibly: focus 100% on driving until you're genuinely used to it.
It's a much simpler way of driving though, as long as you focus it's easier.
Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
One pedal driving? How does that work? When you take your foot off the accelerator it brakes? What about the clutch?
If I press both accelerator and brake pedals in my Model S simultaneously, it beeps at me and says 'multiple pedals pushed', then ignores me until I only press one.
That sounds like the worst possible solution. Why doesn't it just stop?
Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
One pedal driving? How does that work? When you take your foot off the accelerator it brakes? What about the clutch?
If I press both accelerator and brake pedals in my Model S simultaneously, it beeps at me and says 'multiple pedals pushed', then ignores me until I only press one.
why would it not just apply brake?
Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#46New car, 5 days old, seems from the onset that it is driver error as someone was in the vehicle behind the wheel. New vehicles are a major change to routine. Speculation... the data might reveal that the wife lied to cover crashing a 5 day old car.
This story will certainly be more interesting once Tesla publishes the data from their side.
And more interesting when the air bag controller is dumped by a neutral third party. That's not under Tesla's control; it's a Takata unit, self-contained, with no network connection. When the air bags fire, the controller saves the last 8 seconds of vehicle speed, brake light switch, engine speed, throttle position, acceleration, and seat belt use. It's basic data for crash analysis.
There are companies which do this and analyze the info, such as Failure Analysis Associates and Crash Forensics. Bosch makes a readout tool for this.[1] If the vehicle isn't too badly damaged, the data can be retrieved by plugging into the OBD port. Worst case, you have to get the airbag controller out of the vehicle (it's a tough device, designed to survive a crash) and connect it to the readout tool.
Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#47Unlike the previous accident, which the Tesla S literally doesn't have the sensors to see the above-ground trailer... this Model X crashed into the side of a building. I'd like to assume that the below-chassis sensors would have been able to pick that up. I'm more concerned about edge-cases like the Tesla S autonomous crash rather than cases like this one. My current assumption (pending evidence: we don't have any ye…
Sure it's moral - in fact, it's great. The question of morality only arises if there's asymmetric access to the data. In the event of a claim being made by the driver against the company, both sides should have complete access to the logs data to make their case more firmly. What shouldn't happen is ONLY one party being able to inspect the data. But this is unlikely to happen in practice. A lawyer for the driver woul…
> But this is unlikely to happen in practice. A lawyer for the driver would undoubtedly subpoena Tesla for access to the data. And a reasonable judge would probably concur. IANAL and IANAJ, so the latter is a guess. :)
So what's the process here? You're going to start suing Tesla so that you hope you can officially subpeona them of the data you don't have access to?
Its asymmetric no matter what. The role of these logs should be reversed: the driver ought to have first-dibs at the logs to determine if he has a legitimate case to bring forth against Tesla.
Then Tesla should subpeona the data once they start getting sued. In any case, Tesla holding the data so that they have the information-advantage against their own customers is a bit fishy.
Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#48Unlike the previous accident, which the Tesla S literally doesn't have the sensors to see the above-ground trailer... this Model X crashed into the side of a building. I'd like to assume that the below-chassis sensors would have been able to pick that up. I'm more concerned about edge-cases like the Tesla S autonomous crash rather than cases like this one. My current assumption (pending evidence: we don't have any ye…
There's a "remote access" setting you can turn off. I believe that cuts off Tesla's access, not just your own. Of course, roughly nobody actually turns it off, because everybody prefers the convenience of having it on.
> I believe that cuts off Tesla's access, not just your own
So no way to cut off Tesla's access to YOUR OWN CAR, without cutting out your own access?
And even then, you're not sure?
Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
The story is already interesting because Tesla does this, and no other car company seems to. Tesla monitors your driving behavior so that they can save face and blame the driver if things go bad. I don't know of any other car company that does this. Those monitors are installed to protect the company image, not you. Its like you're buying a $100,000 piece of spyware. The car isn't your possession. Its sensor data bel…
This is true, and while I do despise the invasion of privacy, and everything that comes with owning a $100,000 piece of spyware, I do appreciate that barring conspiracy and a flagrant disregard for the law someone somewhere has some sort of technical data unlikely to be vulnerable to human memory/eyewitness accounts related to the crash. Tesla has also convinced me that it is the type of company whose employees that…
> someone somewhere has some sort of technical data unlikely to be vulnerable to human memory/eyewitness accounts related to the crash.
I can agree with this. Having this information recorded should be a standard feature for cars of this price-range.
However, the information should be in the customer's control (which should also be fairly passed onto Tesla through a subpoena if necessary).
Its a basic tenant of "ownership". If you don't have primary control of the data, you really don't own it.
Re: Tesla Model X autonomously crashes into building, owner claims
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a "remote access" setting you can turn off. I believe that cuts off Tesla's access, not just your own. Of course, roughly nobody actually turns it off, because everybody prefers the convenience of having it on.
> I believe that cuts off Tesla's access, not just your own So no way to cut off Tesla's access to YOUR OWN CAR, without cutting out your own access? And even then, you're not sure?
Yeah, remote access goes through their servers. You can still drive the car, you just can't use their smartphone app. I don't know why you'd expect anything else.
If you want to be sure, then pull the SIM card. It's a bit of work to get to it, but not too tough.