I wondered if he received any experimental treatment for his Parkinson's. Or Michael J. Fox? Are we any closer to the cure?
Muhammad Ali has died
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Re: Muhammad Ali has died
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
The full quote refers to all whites. I agree it is inappropriate by today's standards, but a black man saying whites are the devil in 1969? I mean...
Make sure you use that same logic next time you are in a discussion with someone about Nazis in the 1940's.
I am going to leave this quote from reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/4mhwyk/muhammad_ali...)
here. Make of it what you will :
"People saying this is racist are misunderstanding that the problem with racism is not just some words, it's the power balance dynamic that backs them. A black man saying white people are the devil, has no power to actually do much damage, even in 2016. A white man saying that black man is the devil, has during our history been able to: imprison the person on trumped up charges, have their family bought and sold, beaten often to death, hung them, tar and feather, run them out of town, and refuse them housing. To pretend that there is an equality between two statements from people of different skin colors in current and past american society is to be willfully blind to the difference between them."
Re: Muhammad Ali has died
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
The full quote refers to all whites. I agree it is inappropriate by today's standards, but a black man saying whites are the devil in 1969? I mean...
Make sure you use that same logic next time you are in a discussion with someone about Nazis in the 1940's.
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Re: Muhammad Ali has died
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of the best qualities people can have is to see the good in something/someone. The bad is of no value, so forget it, but celebrate the good. People here are celebrating the things they admired about a public figure. Likewise you can look at an online community and take heart at how people had a shared recognition of great achievements and are able to celebrate it together. It does no good to dwell on the negative…
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. In defense of my mentality: > One of the best qualities people can have is to see the good in something/someone. The bad is of no value, so forget it, but celebrate the good. This depends on your objective. If your objective is to be liked by others - then by all means ignore the undesirable aspects of people and things and only acknowledge those which perpetuate warm and fuzzy feeli…
I disagree. I think everyone has their own journey and everyone must accept and respect it for the value it offers. Just because you can't see the value or the impact does not mean it's not there. Wings of butterflies and all that. Ali's influence on the world is incalculable. How's that for critical thinking?
"We must"? No, we musn't. If you don't like sports, don't watch them. I don't.
Clearly you come here with an agenda. The goal of your "progress" is by definition regressive. Equality means respecting and defending everyone's rights equally as individuals and not a specific ingroup, such "those who contribute in a more fair sense." That would be collectivism and you appear to be demonstrating authoritarian attitudes and socialist (culturally Marxist) shaming techniques in an attempt to make people feel disconnected from the intellectual elite as a means of coercing them to join your group/cause. We are not your weaponized zombies, shamed into submission and programmed to deliver your message so we fit into what you define as an elite group.
That's called 'malignant narcissism' by the way. How's that for openness?
The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as individuals is what needs to be promoted if you believe in free will/agency as a goal. And with that you have to accept the good with the bad, whatever you believe them to be.
"I'm sorry, I didn't know freedom meant people doing stuff that sucks." --Summer, Rick and Morty Episode 203: Auto Erotic Assimilation
Re: Muhammad Ali has died
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't agree with this sentiment. I've seen having a "consistent identity" get in the way of a discussion for a variety of reasons: - Ad hominem attacks - Disclosing hypocrisy (as a logical fallacy) - Celebrity posters distracting from the subject - Appeals to authority Consistent identity is a no-brainer within the context of a single post; beyond that, there are downsides.
Yes, if you list only the downsides it sounds like a bad idea.
You already listed the upsides. I'm taking the opposite stance, of course I'll list downsides.
In any case, HN doesn't feel like it has an individual-driven community, at least compared to Reddit. I'm hard pressed to name any users on this site. That might be more a reflection on me - I come here to read about interesting topics, and I have more interest in the message than the speaker.
Incidentally, how many HN users can you name? (I'm genuinely curious)
Re: Muhammad Ali has died
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
Make sure you use that same logic next time you are in a discussion with someone about Nazis in the 1940's.
I am going to leave this quote from reddit ( https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/4mhwyk/muhammad_ali... ) here. Make of it what you will : "People saying this is racist are misunderstanding that the problem with racism is not just some words, it's the power balance dynamic that backs them. A black man saying white people are the devil, has no power to actually do much damage, even in 2016. A white man saying tha…
"How can white privilege be real when Obama can say the n-word but I can't?"
Re: Muhammad Ali has died
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
He had been treated poorly by whites his entire life. I'm sure you can appreciate how that would affect a person. He was also very young and became more tempered as he grew older.
I'm sure you can appreciate that you know absolutely nothing about how Muhammed Ali was treated by whites his entire life. Simply assuming that he was treated badly and therefore justified in his blanket discrimination towards others is academically lazy and ethically unacceptable.
>you know absolutely nothing about how Muhammed Ali was treated by whites his entire life
This rebuttal only has merit if you're being pedantically literal.
Surely, you're aware of the prevailing racial conditions in the U.S. and Louisville in particular during Ali's upbringing and beyond. He was, by definition, treated badly by an entire system that was not set up by black people, yet overtly oppressed black people.
Surely, you're aware of how the conditions of the time would have impacted Ali himself, his family, and those in his community. Surely, you can see how members of such a community might feel some anger and resentment.
What's lazy here is your pedantic use of demagoguery to make enlightened-sounding, but vapid statements that berate others for some supposed discrimination that exists only in a willfully myopic bubble of your own creation.
Re: Muhammad Ali has died
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, if you list only the downsides it sounds like a bad idea.
You already listed the upsides. I'm taking the opposite stance, of course I'll list downsides. In any case, HN doesn't feel like it has an individual-driven community, at least compared to Reddit. I'm hard pressed to name any users on this site. That might be more a reflection on me - I come here to read about interesting topics, and I have more interest in the message than the speaker. Incidentally, how many HN user…
I didn't list all the upsides, just the executive summary :) But for sure there are multiple legitimate views about how best to set up an internet forum. Nevertheless HN is set up the way I described and we're not going to change it.
Re names: No idea, but more than it would be worth taking the time to try listing. I'm the wrong person to ask, though, since it's my job to monitor HN.
Re: Muhammad Ali has died
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
He had been treated poorly by whites his entire life. I'm sure you can appreciate how that would affect a person. He was also very young and became more tempered as he grew older.
I'm sure you can appreciate that you know absolutely nothing about how Muhammed Ali was treated by whites his entire life. Simply assuming that he was treated badly and therefore justified in his blanket discrimination towards others is academically lazy and ethically unacceptable.
>Simply assuming
I'm not assuming anything; has life has been documented time and time again. We information from him personally, those who knew him, and we know exactly what Louisville Kentucky was like during his lifetime. Are you saying that unless I was there personally I know "absolutely nothing" about his life? Get real and get over yourself.
Ali was my favorite sports figure as a child and remains so. I have consumed everything I can find about the guy. I'm willing to bet I know more than you on the matter, but if I don't, why don't you share some of your insights with us as well as the rest of the world?
>academically lazy and ethically unacceptable
Yeesh. I'm not sure what 'academic and ethical' standards you believe people on a forum should be held to, but again; get over yourself. I'm sure you think you're being extremely clever and deep with your comments here, but in reality you're adding absolutely nothing to the conversation with your overly pedantic comments which show nothing but your ignorance of history.
I also find it pretty hilarious that you seem to have created a throwaway account purely to comment in this thread.
Re: Muhammad Ali has died
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many people have commented on the misogyny and racism on tech forums like HN. However, calling it out on HN gets you banned from HN.
Which comment is misogynistic or racist, and who is 'calling it out'?
LOL No answer (because your post made zero sense) but downvoted. Pathetic.