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Re: GNU Taler 0.0.0 released

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Post by graffitici »

MatthewWilkes wrote: post #7

So, semver is great and all, but 0.0.x releases just look silly, in my opinion. I've never seen someone zero index the least significant column before though, which makes it look even worse. Would people actually expect w piece of software marked as version 0.0.0 to be anything more than a placeholder?

Maybe it's because I come from a physics background, but 0.0.0 also seems to me as the version for the first thought of building something. So after one writes any amount of code, it should get incremented to 0.0.1 or something..

Re: GNU Taler 0.0.0 released

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Post by etatoby »

If you consider how much money is embezzled / stolen by (most) corporations by avoiding paying taxes for all the services they benefit from, in the countries they operate in, this seems a very good feature.

Re: GNU Taler 0.0.0 released

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Post by brudgers »

kybernetyk wrote: post #13

>Unlike BitCoin or cash payments, Taler ensures that governments can learn their citizen's total income and thus collect sales, value-added or income taxes Wow, what a feature ...

For some people, the overhead of separating segregating income streams into declared and undeclared doesn't make economic sense. For some people, a conscious decision to act illegally is inconsistent with their values. For some people the potential appearance of potential improprieties outweighs the benefits of cryptocurrency.

To me, that's really the rub. Many of the potential benefits of cryptocurrency are independent of how it may or may not facilitate slush funds.

Re: GNU Taler 0.0.0 released

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Post by cyphar »

X86BSD wrote: post #20
cyphar wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux. Systemd. GNU. YaST. Git. Blender. These are all programs under the GPL, and the reason they are so successful is because of the defense that copyleft provides against proprietary software. In short, no. Not dead in the water.

All software primarily used on Linux systems. You'll never ever see systemd outside Linux. Ever. BTW good luck with that mess too. Same with yast. You'll never see that outside Linux. Ever. You're creating quite the ecosystem of NIH and Linux only software. Btrfs, systemtap, etc. So "successful" is a seriously objective word as you use it. But good luck, you're going to need it methinks.

> Btrfs, systemtap, etc.

It's not the Linux community's fault that Sun wanted to create a license that would make it GPL incompatible. If it were compatible, it probably would've been merged years ago. And CDDL is still copyleft, but it retains all of the restrictions with none of the benefits for users. So it's really the "worst" of both worlds. But you can put that in your pipe and smoke it if you like.

> So "successful" is a seriously objective word as you use it.

Did you mean "subjective"? Because I agree that those projects are objectively successful.

Re: GNU Taler 0.0.0 released

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Post by [deleted] »

X86BSD wrote: post #20
cyphar wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux. Systemd. GNU. YaST. Git. Blender. These are all programs under the GPL, and the reason they are so successful is because of the defense that copyleft provides against proprietary software. In short, no. Not dead in the water.

All software primarily used on Linux systems. You'll never ever see systemd outside Linux. Ever. BTW good luck with that mess too. Same with yast. You'll never see that outside Linux. Ever. You're creating quite the ecosystem of NIH and Linux only software. Btrfs, systemtap, etc. So "successful" is a seriously objective word as you use it. But good luck, you're going to need it methinks.

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Re: GNU Taler 0.0.0 released

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Post by internaut »

technofiend wrote: post #3

This is cool but if you do look at where big investments are being made it's more in smart contract/block chain. Considering the extreme regulatory and DOJ pressure to expose all parties in any fiduciary transaction I'm skeptical we'll ever see an explicitly government-approved system with anonymity.

> I'm skeptical we'll ever see an explicitly government-approved system with anonymity.

Me too but I also think that it's increasingly not possible to scale up a governance system without anonymity.

Suppose you have a list of incumbents that will pay you off to kill competition, and a list of new entities that affect those incumbents. That's a recipe for stasis and stagnation. Arguably this has already occurred in the medical arena on multiple levels.

You need a 'fog of war' to allow innovation to occur. Otherwise you're depending on the goodwill, patriotism or honesty of officials, things that could dry up when you most need them. I suppose this could also be used as an argument for limited protectionism and incubation.

Re: GNU Taler 0.0.0 released

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Post by akerro »

kybernetyk wrote: post #13

>Unlike BitCoin or cash payments, Taler ensures that governments can learn their citizen's total income and thus collect sales, value-added or income taxes Wow, what a feature ...

For many it might be more attractive than BTC.

Re: GNU Taler 0.0.0 released

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Post by etatoby »

stephenr wrote: post #15
cyphar wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Noted. Good to know that people have forgotten how hard the free software community had to fight to be able to even have free software. I don't understand the sudden amnesia when Microsoft releases one part of their stack under the MIT license while still enslaving users. It's doublethink.

Did I once mention proprietary software or Microsoft? Is that really how you see the software world, GPL vs Microsoft/proprietary?

Free software is pretty much the opposite of proprietary software, yes, and GPL is the single license that enabled the free software revolution we are all benefiting from.

Sure, the battle against greed is far from over, but the benefits are already quite obvious.

If people and companies had kept to proprietary EULA and BSD as the only options, we would still be in the dire situation we were in the 90s.

Re: GNU Taler 0.0.0 released

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Post by vertex-four »

MatthewWilkes wrote: post #7

So, semver is great and all, but 0.0.x releases just look silly, in my opinion. I've never seen someone zero index the least significant column before though, which makes it look even worse. Would people actually expect w piece of software marked as version 0.0.0 to be anything more than a placeholder?

I'd argue it is a placeholder, not a proper release - it's an announcement for interested people to look into it and join the project.

Re: GNU Taler 0.0.0 released

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Post by vertex-four »

kybernetyk wrote: post #13

>Unlike BitCoin or cash payments, Taler ensures that governments can learn their citizen's total income and thus collect sales, value-added or income taxes Wow, what a feature ...

BitCoin is political - it holds an anarcho-capitalist ideal where taxes are entirely immoral. Taler holds the opposite political ideal.
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