Thank's for your valuable anecdote. We can now safely ignore all the people who did get a disease or toxins doing the same.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11836339 and marked it off-topic.
Educate Your Immune System
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face-to-face conversation. Avoid gratuitous negativity.
Why would I not say that face to face? Do you think any negative reply to anyone is bad? What horrible rose-colored world do you live in? How about you adjust your sensitivity setting? It's on an unhelpfully low level that prevents normal function and utilization of normal communication. I also find it how remarkably consistent my experience is that people who complain about "tone" never, ever have anything to say ab…
Drive-by snark is deprecated on HN, but personal attack, which you crossed into here ("What horrible rose-colored world do you live in? How about you adjust your sensitivity setting"), and have unfortunately done previously as well, is outright not allowed.
Please stop doing this and post civilly and substantively, or not at all, from now on.
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#103These findings are very preliminary, but they support a decades-old (and unfortunately named) idea called the hygiene hypothesis. In order to develop properly, the hypothesis holds — to avoid the hyper-reactive tendencies that underlie autoimmune and allergic disease — the immune system needs a certain type of stimulation early in life. It needs an education. George Carlin (RIP) also had a nice little piece on this:…
I wonder how Thailanders would handle the street tacos and the 'C' rated taco truck down the street from my apartment.
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#104These findings are very preliminary, but they support a decades-old (and unfortunately named) idea called the hygiene hypothesis. In order to develop properly, the hypothesis holds — to avoid the hyper-reactive tendencies that underlie autoimmune and allergic disease — the immune system needs a certain type of stimulation early in life. It needs an education. George Carlin (RIP) also had a nice little piece on this:…
> I think it's funny that we Western people get so quickly sick from street-food in Asian countries (e.g. Thailand), while most locals have no problem eating the food.
I can eat food in Shanghai without suffering from traveler's diarrhea afterward. It took a while to get to that point.
With exposure, you'll develop tolerance for the local food. Hopefully, all of the locals have already had that exposure.
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#105> Preventing autoimmune disorders may require emulating aspects of that “dirtier” world: safely bottling the kinds of microbes that protect the Russian kids, so we can give them to everyone Ok, so where's the productization? Where's the startup? Surely this product/service already exists in some form or other, somewhere
They're working on it: http://chainsawsuit.com/comic/2016/03/12/highly-probiotic/
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#106> After three years, 16 Finnish children and 14 Estonian children had these antibodies; only four Russian children did. I am not a statistician, but wouldn't this be underpowered relative to what you would need to draw a solid conclusion?
As an illustration of LionessLover's point, compare "under treatment, two patients regrew their lost arm, compared to zero in the control group". The statistical power of that study just isn't relevant.
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#107A wild hypothesis here. One thing I noticed in "pre-Western" diets that's absent from modern ones is unpasteurized dairy. All milk sold in Western countries is pasteurized (treated thermally to kill most of its bacteria). If you leave on a shelf, it will remain unspoiled for quite a long time compared to unpasteurized, but when it does spoil, it becomes completely undrinkable, with foul smell. Unpasteurized milk, on…
It's possibly one of the things, but I doubt there's a single factor in play here. You could have a similar hypothesis about urban people having less contact with dirt and mud and animal feces and all kinds of wild plants and insects that one living in a rural area would commonly encounter throughout her life. The other theory blames the lack of parasites that suppress our immunes system reactions. Some say it's the pollution in urban areas. And it's probably some sort of the combination of all of these, since they all are certainly a factor influencing our immune systems.
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#108Interesting parallel study I saw recently: Autoimmune disease rodent models don't translate well to the clinic, so an academic group tried to look for reasons. They found that normal, healthy humans have far more memory B cells than lab mice, which may be a major factor. So they looked at wild mice and pet store mice. Wild mice had a lot of memory B cells, but pet store mice had the most. They found you can house pet…
Do you lose 20% of the lab mice, or the pet store mice, or the B cells?
Sorry for being unclear; you lose 20% of the lab mice.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
I find it really interesting that all of the replies to this comment take the fact that animals will consume dairy if it's available as an argument in favor of human consumption of it. Humans are the only animals, that as adults , take the milk of another mammal for their own consumption. For that matter, other than the isolated, exceptional cases of a lactating mammal adopting the orphans of another mammal and nursi…
What I find interesting is that the health benefit (or non-benefit) of milk for adult humans is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Autoimmune disease (the topic of the original article) develops at a very early age.
Many autoimmune diseases develop in adults.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
When presented with milk, many adult mammals (including some humans) will drink it. Humans are simply better than most at getting their way with other species -- this is the primary difference, is it not? For example, I have seen apparently healthy and non-starving adult black bears, some dogs, and cats happily consume cow milk if it is available. There are pros and cons to it, for sure, but there is clearly nutritio…
> healthy and non-starving adult black bears, some dogs, and cats happily consume cow milk if it is available. How does that prove milk is good for us? Or for them? Non-starving animals and humans can also enjoy the taste of junk food, we don't judge junk food's nutritional value based on that.
How does the original question prove that it isn't healthy for us?