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Re: Muhammad Ali has died

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Post by unclebucknasty »

carterehsmith wrote: post #114
Double_Cast wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At 1:21 and 1:35, Ali does this shuffle thing with his feet. How does one do that? I just tried it, and I can't imagine how I would move my feet that rapidly even with extensive training. I'm pretty lanky. Would it be easier to foot-shuffle if I had Ali's build? Or would it be even harder because of his mass. And does this maneuver have a name? It seems like he does it when he's winding up for a jab combo. To make hi…

I think the name is simply "Ali shuffle".

That's what I've always heard it called.

Re: Muhammad Ali has died

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Post by runn1ng »

When I read and see some interviews with people like him, it's interesting to me how Islam was seen - not very long ago - as some self-determination movement for black people. (Malcolm X, and all that.)

It makes sense to me of course, but it's still interesting to see Islam being perceived totally differently today, just a few decades later. If you hear someone mention today that he wants to make "islamic nation", your mind goes to what is happening in Middle-East right now.

Re: Muhammad Ali has died

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Post by ralmidani »

adnam wrote: post #125
ceyhunkazel wrote: post #63

He is a man who have a heart that bigger than his fists. “Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights? No I’m not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave maste…

Well he also said that Jews are devils, the mixing of the races is an abomination and that homosexuality is a white man’s disease.

I'm not sure about when he said what, but Muhammad Ali first joined the so-called Nation of Islam, then was introduced to Islam by Malcolm X (also a former NOI member).

Re: Muhammad Ali has died

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Post by unclebucknasty »

kasey_junk wrote: post #85
Double_Cast wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At 1:21 and 1:35, Ali does this shuffle thing with his feet. How does one do that? I just tried it, and I can't imagine how I would move my feet that rapidly even with extensive training. I'm pretty lanky. Would it be easier to foot-shuffle if I had Ali's build? Or would it be even harder because of his mass. And does this maneuver have a name? It seems like he does it when he's winding up for a jab combo. To make hi…

One thing people underestimate about boxing is how much training goes into the feet movement. Any boxer at that level can do things with their feet that is pretty baffling. Training your feet and calfs in boxing is extensive. That said one of the things that made Ali so astounding is that for a big guy he was super light on his feet. That foot shuffle doesn't have a name, and he isn't doing it for a tactical advantag…

Oh, I do think the shuffle had tactical advantages beyond showing off. It's demoralizing to the opponent, it serves as a distraction, and it's so unorthodox that it momentarily leaves opponents wondering what's coming next. He frequently threw (and landed) off of a shuffle, even if not to devastating effect.

But, I agree that it would drive most trainers nuts for any other boxer. And, yeah, Ali's gifts and confidence made it possible for him to get away with a lot of the kind of stuff that would drive trainers crazy (including Dundee early on). For, instance, consistently carrying his hands so low violated a Golden Rule of boxing and keeping the hands up is one of the first things kids are taught about the sport.

Later, he fashioned the rope a dope and other techniques to compensate for his then diminished speed.

Kind of reminds me of Bruce Lee. Improvise. Create. Take what your opponent gives you.

Re: Muhammad Ali has died

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Post by plq »

GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #108
plq wrote: post #56

This news item currently has 260 upvotes on hacker news . Think about this a little. Think and try to name anybody else from boxing (or heck, any other sports) who could be up here. I know can't think of more than a few people. He was the greatest in his time. Rest in peace, Mr. Clay. You are among the icons of the 20th century.

Why do you call him "Mr Clay"?

When one converts to Islam, it's customary to change his name but generally people hold on to their surnames. So I always thought of him as "Muhammet Ali Clay". This apparently wasn't the case with him. Too late to edit my post now...

Re: Muhammad Ali has died

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Post by unclebucknasty »

Double_Cast wrote: post #82
unclebucknasty wrote: post #65

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Sadly, boxing as a sport has much declined since Ali's day, and especially in recent years. In particular, the heavyweight division has been found most acutely lacking for some time. However, you are correct that heavyweights don't and have not typically "moved like that". Even those who were relatively fast and defensively gifted (e.g. a young Tyson) didn't move as poetically. He moved like a boxer of a much lower w…

At 1:21 and 1:35, Ali does this shuffle thing with his feet. How does one do that? I just tried it, and I can't imagine how I would move my feet that rapidly even with extensive training. I'm pretty lanky. Would it be easier to foot-shuffle if I had Ali's build? Or would it be even harder because of his mass. And does this maneuver have a name? It seems like he does it when he's winding up for a jab combo. To make hi…

Yeah, he made the "Ali Shuffle" look easy! He was one of those people who seemed almost "engineered" for a specific sport. I'm no kinesiologist, but I'm guessing the secret to his speed--including that shuffle--was related to insanely tuned fast-twitch muscle fibers.

It's the same muscle fiber type that provides the explosive power and acceleration that give many basketball players their impressive vertical leaping abilities.

These muscles can also be further developed to some extent, and he was also a really hard worker. Amazingly, he later declared that he hated every second of his training, but knew it's what he had to do.

Re: Muhammad Ali has died

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Post by raddad »

braythwayt wrote: post #124
c3477372 wrote: post #122

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Do leftists love him or hate him? On the one hand there is that quote you just posted, but on the other there is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Y693cSF7E

Crazy idea, but maybe there are individual people that have a spectrum of political and social beliefs that don’t neatly fit into “left” and “right.” Maybe the world isn’t so starkly bipartisan as you suggest. And maybe such people have a variety of complex feelings about people that don’t neatly fit into “love” and “hate.” Maybe, just maybe, binary thinking is the exact opposite of being a Hacker. Maybe it’s a crutc…

I agree. I consider myself as an independently conservative liberal libertarian with social and anti social leanings.

Re: Muhammad Ali has died

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Post by kelukelugames »

Keyframe wrote: post #130
kelukelugames wrote: post #126

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Do you have aa citation?

It's widely known: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJu8sVWQ-wk

The full quote refers to all whites. I agree it is inappropriate by today's standards, but a black man saying whites are the devil in 1969? I mean...

Re: Muhammad Ali has died

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Post by [deleted] »

ralmidani wrote: post #133
adnam wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well he also said that Jews are devils, the mixing of the races is an abomination and that homosexuality is a white man’s disease.

I'm not sure about when he said what, but Muhammad Ali first joined the so-called Nation of Islam, then was introduced to Islam by Malcolm X (also a former NOI member).

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Re: Muhammad Ali has died

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Post by Blahah »

adnam wrote: post #125
ceyhunkazel wrote: post #63

He is a man who have a heart that bigger than his fists. “Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights? No I’m not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave maste…

Well he also said that Jews are devils, the mixing of the races is an abomination and that homosexuality is a white man’s disease.

> he also said that Jews are devils

he actually quoted the Bible and said "Jews and gentiles are devils", according to the context of the interview in which he said it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJu8sVWQ-wk

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