Women Who Code (YC S16) helps female engineers level up in their careers

Post by wpietri » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 2:53 AM UTC

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I disagree with your notion that in all the world there is only one real issue.

well that's fair. but why do you think the over reaction is ok, which punishes innocent people not the people who created the system. again two wrongs don't make a right, all it does is continue a negative cycle.

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 10:53 AM UTC

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> you might as well just stay home But why does it have to be the woman who stays home? Why is this just the tacit assumption? I'd love to see not just solid support for moms at work, but solid support / encouragement for dads at home: paternity leave up-to-par with maternity leave, a normalization and acceptance of stay-at-home dads where desired, etc. It's kind of amazing how prevalent the assumption is that childr…

As someone who has taken the kids out and about during the day, I have to say that it's awkward . You end up being the only man in a group of dozens of women with their kids, or you are the guy at the playground sitting by himself while his kids play on it (which looks a ton like you don't have any kids to an outsider). Society, at least in most of the U.S. is frankly a bit hostile to males as the caregivers. I can't…

Post by wpietri » Sat, Jun 04, 2016, 5:45 PM UTC

thomasatethose wrote: post #324

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The people who created the system are dead. But the people who benefit from the broken system are still alive. (I am one of them.) And pushing the system toward fairness is not actually punishing them. Loss of privilege feels is definitely experienced as loss, so I can see why people would see it as punishment. Note all the rich people who cry rivers over having to pay their fair share or taxes. But reducing injustic…

I struggle to make a living,and I am a human being too. just because you made it doesn't mean we all have that middle upper class male privilege. The harmful system is not pursuing equality the right way. As you phrase you views, I have Less sympathy to help women because its clear this is not about equality,and I know I'm not the only one.

Post by foldr » Mon, Jun 06, 2016, 10:08 AM UTC

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> I don't see people fighting there for equal rights. every time the gender imbalance comes up on HN someone makes the same comment you have. Did you try Google? Because those programmes are trivially easy to find. People will often make a similar comment about the lack of programmes to get women into construction or mining. But those programmes are really easy to find too.

I wasn't hinting at other programmes for women. I was hinting at programmes where men were at a disadvantage and fought for equal rights. Or even better, where women acknowledged the fact that only 20% of psychology, teachers, or whatever are men. There suddenly it isn't a problem to have the imbalance? Should we favor men in those categories over women? Just because we have fewer male teachers? So unfair! To think t…

Post by zepto » Sun, Jun 12, 2016, 5:50 AM UTC

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Actually that single data point does a lot. It shows an example of something important. In the absence of more data points, it is not reasonable to assume this is an isolated case. Unless you have statistics or evidence to support your position that discrimination against men is negligible, we have data to support that there is discrimination, and no data to support the countervailing position - only your assertion.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works. A single anecdote (which in true "data engineer" fashion you insist on calling a "data point") does not demonstrate _anything_. Otherwise the face that there has been one rape this year demonstrates the existence of rape culture, the fact that someehere someone was fired for being an immigrant demonstrates a climate of xenophobia, etc. I repeat, a single anecdote is not enough…