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How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

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Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

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If you don't love what you do you are basically committing yourself to 40+ hours a week of unhappiness. Not to mention the fact that people who love what they do tend to do a better job, and improve more over the long term. I really encourage you to find a way to view your work that lets you love it, or do something else.

Not at all. "Love what you do" is an employer tactic to maximize value and minimize cost of their employees hoping they'll work extra for passion instead of more money. Unless you have substantial equity it's not your company. Don't be passionate about a profit, control, or ownership you were very intentionally cut from. In this case the employer desires to run their company without paying you or dealing with you bec…

Sometimes you genuinely enjoy doing something, and would do it for free if you had a way to pay the bills. I had a job like that for a few years, and it was nice. Didn't matter to me how much my boss made or who owned what. I was having fun.

Most jobs aren't like that, though, and no matter how much you love something you eventually get tired of it.

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

#82
post #53

As many have said already G+ did the job on its own. But what's also important was the crucial time at launch. These were the days when the people coming to Facebook in 2008, 2009 were a bit fed up by it and wanted to try something else with hosting pictures, events etc. So they actually were the most interested in trying in out, hey it was a Google product and everyone loved Gmail. But Google screwed up and placed a…

Making a social media platform invite only was such an obvious mistake, I'm surprised a company like Google made it. The product in G+ was not the platform but the potential social element of it (the user's friends and family).

"Hey here is an invite to this thing that none of your friends can get on"

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

#83
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. "Love what you do" is an employer tactic to maximize value and minimize cost of their employees hoping they'll work extra for passion instead of more money. Unless you have substantial equity it's not your company. Don't be passionate about a profit, control, or ownership you were very intentionally cut from. In this case the employer desires to run their company without paying you or dealing with you bec…

Sometimes you genuinely enjoy doing something, and would do it for free if you had a way to pay the bills. I had a job like that for a few years, and it was nice. Didn't matter to me how much my boss made or who owned what. I was having fun. Most jobs aren't like that, though, and no matter how much you love something you eventually get tired of it.

You could've been your own boss or negotiated for more.

People are more careful with expensive things and treat them better.

You aren't working at the leisurely indiscretion of the company.

You become a more efficient, effective, objective, focused and self-directed employee when you focus on and realize your cost/value proposition.

Of course if you were working for a foundation or charity then sure... This doesn't apply.

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

#84

"That unfortunate first impression, plus the mischaracterization in the film The Social Network, was probably responsible for half of the ever present suspicion and paranoia surrounding Facebook’s motives. But occasionally Zuck would have a charismatic moment of lucid greatness, and it would be stunning." The lockdown thing is interesting, but you have to wade through this blathering, fawning, puff-piece nonsense. Th…

It was worth the read for me to learn about this story alone in my opinion https://www.quora.com/How-did-Chris-Putnam-get-hired-at-Face...

Thanks for saving me the time!

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

#85
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes you genuinely enjoy doing something, and would do it for free if you had a way to pay the bills. I had a job like that for a few years, and it was nice. Didn't matter to me how much my boss made or who owned what. I was having fun. Most jobs aren't like that, though, and no matter how much you love something you eventually get tired of it.

You could've been your own boss or negotiated for more. People are more careful with expensive things and treat them better. You aren't working at the leisurely indiscretion of the company. You become a more efficient, effective, objective, focused and self-directed employee when you focus on and realize your cost/value proposition. Of course if you were working for a foundation or charity then sure... This doesn't a…

Oh, none of that was really doable at the time. It was a DoD contracting job, and the way they structure the contracts you pretty much either accept what they give you or you leave. Which I eventually did.

But for a few years it was great.

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

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I feel like the headline and intro to this piece are misleading. It doesn't actually describe anything Zuck did product-wise, or how the fight actually played out. It's just some anecdotes about what Facebook was like during this period and a lot of pretty grand statements about Zuckerberg.

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

#87

Uh, pretty obvious that Google Plus just wasn't a product that could stand on it's own merit. Just like Microsoft's terrible tablets weren't done in by any other tablet maker, and were cursed with enough problems to get a cold shoulder at the cash register. I don't even use Facebook, but it's pretty obvious that it's purpose built to do specific things, and does them well, if that's what your Jonesing for.

> Uh, pretty obvious that Google Plus just wasn't a product that could stand on it's own merit. Honest question: how was this obvious?

You could tell, open handed, that people would not be interested in the idea of the product, by the way it was executed, by the undertones of its justification for existence.

It was a product mandated for the sake of a company's bucket list at best. To earn a gold star for trying. To mark off a checkbox.

The whole thing reeked of groupthink, from a mile away. Censored behavior. Courting celebrities. Requiring real names. Activities restrained by pretense. It stank of corporate influence, of lunchtime business meetings, of shareholder concern. Poochie the dog, rastafied by 10% or so.

Nothing about it felt natural. Everyone has to wear clothes. No cursing please. Place your cigarette in the appropriate receptacle.

Worse still, all things were clearly designed to funnel back into some other thing at Google that was more impotant to the bottom line. Endorsements, trending interests, who's reading what, written by who, and so forth.

It wasn't designed to tickle the user. None of that is why people come to the internet and keep coming back. Not regular people.

You could tell that the people invloved in crafting the reason for Google Plus' existence were people who pay their taxes. Who drive safely, even if they drive expensive cars. Who spend their lives trapped inside a ribbed condom. Yeah, it's a condom, but it's a ribbed condom. So much better!

Facebook is also guilty of many of these sins, but it's what they do, it's ALL they do, and they don't get in the way of people behaving badly, or at least not in ways that would preclude them from just trying to have fun on a website they don't actually need to use. And that's where Google really crossed the line, by trying to needle people into jumping on the Google Plus bandwagon, and then by telling them to sit all proper and cross-legged too.

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

#88
post #80

"Google Circles, a way of organizing social contacts, shamelessly copied from Facebook’s long-ignored Lists feature." I thought it was the other way around - circles were based on a research by a guy from Google, who left later for Facebook and they built similar feature.

Google+ launched in 2011. Friend lists were on Facebook in 2009:

http://mashable.com/2009/10/09/create-facebook-friend-lists/

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

#89

"That unfortunate first impression, plus the mischaracterization in the film The Social Network, was probably responsible for half of the ever present suspicion and paranoia surrounding Facebook’s motives. But occasionally Zuck would have a charismatic moment of lucid greatness, and it would be stunning." The lockdown thing is interesting, but you have to wade through this blathering, fawning, puff-piece nonsense. Th…

I read about "facebook's motives" and other companies motives, and suspicions about this and that in the media and I think - why do people bother? Companies like Facebook and Google and Apple have billions of users and 99.999% of them just do not give a shit about any of this drama. If they didn't like Facebook (or Android, or... etc) they'd just stop using it. I guess it's just "gotta write a story....gotta make a d…

> If they didn't like Facebook (or Android, or... etc) they'd just stop using it.

I don't like Android, and I am not using it.

But I have to use facebook because some real life events that I should attend are organized on Facebook.

Similarly WhatsApp. I give it no permissions, which makes it a little awkward as I have to memorize (or lookup) phone numbers; But I have missed several important announcements when I wasn't on WhatsApp.

Re: How Mark Zuckerberg Led Facebook’s War on Google Plus

#90
post #78

To be honest Zuckerberg could've taken an annual sabbatical and it wouldn't have made a jot of difference to Google Plus's future. When G+ came out Facebook was pretty damn popular amongst my peers and younger friends and colleagues. G+ had some interest I'll grant you but the big question to everyone I know was 'Why? I have Facebook.' Despite that I and a lot of friends signed up. The problem was that Google's socia…

The tie in was flakier in the past, and at some points in time was done in a strong-arming way, which killed a lot of goodwill (YouTube unification, real name policy -- enforced from day 1 much more vigorously than Facebook and applying to old gmail accounts, ...) and there was not enough to start with anyway). Couple that with the Buzz fiasco before it .... But that would not have mattered if FB wasn't there.

The real problem is network effect: Most people were already on Facebook, and maintaining two presences (FB and G+) was a chore. So most people kept to FB. Everyone I know kept their main profile on FB, and had a "professional" or "interest-based" profile on G+, which naturally saw about 10% or less activity.

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