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Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by lobster_johnson »

castell wrote: post #28
JasonSage wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

It's awesome that they implement an email client. (hopefully open source) Opera Mail and Thunderbird were good free email clients, but now discontinued. What options are there (PC)? Outlook, Windows 10 Mail, Windows Live Mail/Outlook Express, Thunderbird, IBM Notes, OSX Mail. Ideally, I would like an email client that is as powerful as Outlook, has the UI of Google mail (especially the conversation view), has superb…

There are a few:

* Canary: http://canarymail.io (in beta)

* Airmail: http://airmailapp.com

* Polymail: https://polymail.io (in beta and currently Google-only, ironically, given its name)

* CloudMagic: https://cloudmagic.com

* Postbox: https://www.postbox-inc.com

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by CelticSuperhero »

evook wrote: post #18
kristofferR wrote: post #13

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It's not stupid, it's true - a lot of the UI is written in HTML/CSS/Javascript.

What he calls out as stupid was the mistake of using those technologies for the UI. Although I defended Vivaldi as the Opera Successor since its Beta, I stopped to support and suggest it because it failed to fix the js/css/HTML sluggishness with Version 1, and even more sadly with Version 1.2. I started using unofficial stable Chromium Builds with Codecs and Sync disabled via ChrLauncher and couldn't be happier.

What do you expect from a non native UI which is rendered by the Chromium extensions system? It only can be as fast as the used System is.

So, Vivaldi is nothing at all for people who value speed more than functions. But for people who value functions over speed, i can see that these could be drawn to it.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by colemickens »

castell wrote: post #28
JasonSage wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

It's awesome that they implement an email client. (hopefully open source) Opera Mail and Thunderbird were good free email clients, but now discontinued. What options are there (PC)? Outlook, Windows 10 Mail, Windows Live Mail/Outlook Express, Thunderbird, IBM Notes, OSX Mail. Ideally, I would like an email client that is as powerful as Outlook, has the UI of Google mail (especially the conversation view), has superb…

Why would Vivaldi's email client be open source when the browser isn't even?

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by colemickens »

vetler wrote: post #40
JasonSage wrote: post #15

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> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

> Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? Because Jon von Tetzchner (founder of Opera and Vivaldi) thinks having it in the browser is superior to having it as a separate app. It used to be like this in Opera as well. His goal is to provide an application with more value than just the stripped down browsers you see these days.

>stripped down browsers you see these days.

You mean, "browsers".

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by [deleted] »

angry-hacker wrote: post #86
tauchunfall wrote: post #66

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Why?

Different people use browsers differently? We're humans after all. I never understood people whining about memory usage and having 120 tabs opened - - having so many tabs sounded silly - - now I'm one of those people. I just happened to start using my browser that way. Different people, different needs.

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Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by ChuckMcM »

JasonSage wrote: post #15
petra wrote: post #5

A month ago Vivaldi's CEO did a reddit AMA, with tons of questions and answers: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4ebgom/iama_jon_von_t...

> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

> Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser?

Because the folks at Slack haven't put a browser into their chat client yet?

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by colemickens »

_pmf_ wrote: post #39
robin_reala wrote: post #37

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Because embedding Gecko is markedly more difficult than embedding Blink / WebKit, and now that we’re heading towards a WebKit / Blink monoculture there’s no incentive to choose against that. Interestingly, Servo is basing itself on Chromium’s embedding framework, so that should hopefully be a valid choice when it reaches maturity.

> Interestingly, Servo is basing itself on Chromium’s embedding framework, so that should hopefully be a valid choice when it reaches maturity. Rust introduces several new toolchain requirements, though.

? When you use CEF, you're not building Chromium so I don't understand why Servo's compilation toolchain would affect an application that just wants to embed. Libraries written in Rust can be easily called from C code.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by Sylos »

oblio wrote: post #92
naasking wrote: post #72

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> faster, lighter, more customizable Pick any two.

For a lot of years Opera had all 3. It was faster and used less resources than Firefox while it was more customizable out of the box (Firefox needed heavy duty plugins for parity or better). The full Opera installer was something like 5MB for a full browser + email/RSS client + IRC client + torrent client.

Firefox's interface can be customized with CSS, without the need for a browser extension, so I'm not sure, how you could be more customizable than that...

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by Sylos »

tqkxzugoaupvwqr wrote: post #102

What is the experience on laptops? I tried Vivaldi 1.0 or 1.1 and it drained the battery like nothing I have seen before as far as browsers go. Not sure if that is a Chromium or Vivaldi issue.

I haven't yet seen any benchmarks for Vivaldi, but yeah, Chrome/-ium is known for criminally eating through battery life.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by kevindeasis »

thebigspacefuck wrote: post #98

I was excited about Vivaldi until I had to get on IRC to ask how to pull tabs out of and back into a window. I've been loving Opera lately.

Funny that I've just deleted Opera a few weeks ago and possibly will not install it again. Since they've sold their company
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