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Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by oblio »

wslh wrote: post #20
kristofferR wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not stupid, it's true - a lot of the UI is written in HTML/CSS/Javascript.

Like Atom? So it is not unique. We can say this statement for a lot of software products being Chromium more special and from a third party.

Is Atom a web browser? :)

I'm pretty sure that they mean Vivaldi is unique as a browser built entirely using modern web technologies.

PS: I'm not saying they're right, I haven't researched to find out if there are other HTML/JS based browsers (aka with browser chrome built in HTML/JS).

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by kristopolous »

castell wrote: post #28
JasonSage wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

It's awesome that they implement an email client. (hopefully open source) Opera Mail and Thunderbird were good free email clients, but now discontinued. What options are there (PC)? Outlook, Windows 10 Mail, Windows Live Mail/Outlook Express, Thunderbird, IBM Notes, OSX Mail. Ideally, I would like an email client that is as powerful as Outlook, has the UI of Google mail (especially the conversation view), has superb…

Thunderbird had a stable release 3 days ago and a preview 14 days ago. Development on it is still very much alive.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by Narretz »

I wonder why basically all new browser projects use Webkit / Blink, and none use Gecko)? This only strenghtens Google's position regarding the implementation of web standards. Recently Microsoft open sourced Chakra, their JS Engine, and there's to hope that it can compete with V8 to prevent the same for JavaScript.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by jarcane »

Narretz wrote: post #33

I wonder why basically all new browser projects use Webkit / Blink, and none use Gecko)? This only strenghtens Google's position regarding the implementation of web standards. Recently Microsoft open sourced Chakra, their JS Engine, and there's to hope that it can compete with V8 to prevent the same for JavaScript.

Because Gecko is a performance disaster so bad that Mozilla had to invent a new programming language just to create a replacement.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

#35

Post by SyneRyder »

castell wrote: post #28
JasonSage wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

It's awesome that they implement an email client. (hopefully open source) Opera Mail and Thunderbird were good free email clients, but now discontinued. What options are there (PC)? Outlook, Windows 10 Mail, Windows Live Mail/Outlook Express, Thunderbird, IBM Notes, OSX Mail. Ideally, I would like an email client that is as powerful as Outlook, has the UI of Google mail (especially the conversation view), has superb…

I like Postbox, which is a commercial fork of Thunderbird. Seems to hit most of your needs (not sure about the conversation view as I always turn off threads) and has some of the keyboard shortcuts of GMail. Definitely lets you store emails on disk / offline. Alas version 4 has been less stable than version 3 was.

(Not free, but $20 is pretty cheap.)

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by bob8 »

oblio wrote: post #24
wildchild wrote: post #16

OMG yet another desktop application in javascript.

What's so wrong about that? All the heavy browser lifting is done by the browser engine, which is native, and everything else is just... chrome. Which doesn't really have huge performance requirements.

UI is very latency sensitive, even a couple of frames of delay can be detrimental to the feel of a UI.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by robin_reala »

Narretz wrote: post #33

I wonder why basically all new browser projects use Webkit / Blink, and none use Gecko)? This only strenghtens Google's position regarding the implementation of web standards. Recently Microsoft open sourced Chakra, their JS Engine, and there's to hope that it can compete with V8 to prevent the same for JavaScript.

Because embedding Gecko is markedly more difficult than embedding Blink / WebKit, and now that we’re heading towards a WebKit / Blink monoculture there’s no incentive to choose against that.

Interestingly, Servo is basing itself on Chromium’s embedding framework, so that should hopefully be a valid choice when it reaches maturity.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by jve »

JasonSage wrote: post #15
petra wrote: post #5

A month ago Vivaldi's CEO did a reddit AMA, with tons of questions and answers: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4ebgom/iama_jon_von_t...

> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

Simple: "Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by _pmf_ »

robin_reala wrote: post #37
Narretz wrote: post #33

I wonder why basically all new browser projects use Webkit / Blink, and none use Gecko)? This only strenghtens Google's position regarding the implementation of web standards. Recently Microsoft open sourced Chakra, their JS Engine, and there's to hope that it can compete with V8 to prevent the same for JavaScript.

Because embedding Gecko is markedly more difficult than embedding Blink / WebKit, and now that we’re heading towards a WebKit / Blink monoculture there’s no incentive to choose against that. Interestingly, Servo is basing itself on Chromium’s embedding framework, so that should hopefully be a valid choice when it reaches maturity.

> Interestingly, Servo is basing itself on Chromium’s embedding framework, so that should hopefully be a valid choice when it reaches maturity.

Rust introduces several new toolchain requirements, though.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by vetler »

JasonSage wrote: post #15
petra wrote: post #5

A month ago Vivaldi's CEO did a reddit AMA, with tons of questions and answers: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4ebgom/iama_jon_von_t...

> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

> Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser?

Because Jon von Tetzchner (founder of Opera and Vivaldi) thinks having it in the browser is superior to having it as a separate app. It used to be like this in Opera as well. His goal is to provide an application with more value than just the stripped down browsers you see these days.

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