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Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by Mithaldu »

ahoka wrote: post #58
StevePerkins wrote: post #46

It feels like they're trying to serve two competing goals with this: 1) Be a faster, lighter, more customizable competitor to Chrome 2) Be a full "Internet suite" with browser and email client I'm sure how well you can accomplish #1 while pouring resources into #2. Moreover, I'm not sure how much of an audience there even is for #2. The minority who want a desktop email client are very vocal about it, but most of us…

They are kinda repeating the mistakes of Opera. I used Vivaldi for a few weeks and I really wanted to like it but it has (at least currently) to many quirks. For example not being able to delete addresses from the history which is given for every other browser. All I want is a Chrome with a nicer GUI.

Your example doesn't make a lot of sense. Opera can delete adresses from history. In fact, there are many things Opera does that other browsers can't.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by pingec »

JasonSage wrote: post #15
petra wrote: post #5

A month ago Vivaldi's CEO did a reddit AMA, with tons of questions and answers: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4ebgom/iama_jon_von_t...

> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

I love Opera Mail but now that Opera is in Chinese hands I don't feel comfortable using it anymore. If Vivaldi does the mailer right, I will welcome it with open hands.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by Mithaldu »

StevePerkins wrote: post #46

It feels like they're trying to serve two competing goals with this: 1) Be a faster, lighter, more customizable competitor to Chrome 2) Be a full "Internet suite" with browser and email client I'm sure how well you can accomplish #1 while pouring resources into #2. Moreover, I'm not sure how much of an audience there even is for #2. The minority who want a desktop email client are very vocal about it, but most of us…

Doing 1) AND 2) is perfectly possible. If you're writing it in a performant language. Opera has proven that by still being faster (qualifier: on windows and when excluding JS-heavy tasks) than either Chrome or Firefox. Just a simple thing as switching between tabs is immediately noticably faster in Opera than either of those, even when you have 100 diverse tabs open.

Vivaldi's problem is that they're building on top of chromium in all JS, which puts certain limits on just how efficient they can be performance-wise.

Additionally they're constrained in what they can implement by being tied to chromium, anything they can't do with chromium as it is, they'll have to implement changes in chromium and either live on a fork or try and push them upstream, both of which have high organizational costs.

Also, as a sidenote for the Opera email client: I'm curious how you think it was weaker than Thunderbird?

I've been using it for over a decade and technically i find it far superior, just with its ability to set up mutually inclusive folders that automatically sort email into themselves based on the same bayesian patterns that work for spam, and can be taught simply by dragging things in/out. Additionally, the comment about it "taking up room" is senseless, since it only uses any CPU/RAM if you actively enable it, and Opera's installer has always been tiny.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by Mithaldu »

JasonSage wrote: post #15
petra wrote: post #5

A month ago Vivaldi's CEO did a reddit AMA, with tons of questions and answers: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4ebgom/iama_jon_von_t...

> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

> Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser?

Quite simple: They want to have an email client with features that are currently not offered by any other email client.

I may of course be ignorant, but beyond being integrated within the browser, can you tell me of an email client that uses mutually inclusive folders that automatically sort email into themselves based on the same bayesian patterns that work for spam, and can be taught simply by dragging things in/out?

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by [deleted] »

castell wrote: post #28
JasonSage wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

It's awesome that they implement an email client. (hopefully open source) Opera Mail and Thunderbird were good free email clients, but now discontinued. What options are there (PC)? Outlook, Windows 10 Mail, Windows Live Mail/Outlook Express, Thunderbird, IBM Notes, OSX Mail. Ideally, I would like an email client that is as powerful as Outlook, has the UI of Google mail (especially the conversation view), has superb…

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Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by pritambaral »

pinkbatman wrote: post #11
seyz wrote: post #4

Do you plan to release vivaldi opensource or not?

From the AMA on reddit > We have the C++ code as open source now. As far as making the rest of Vivaldi open source, we're still discussing the implications and want to make the best possible decision. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4ebgom/iama_jon_von_t...

I think it's mostly the C++ code that was already open source (Chromium etc.).

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by pritambaral »

dzek69 wrote: post #54
tachyons wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't an open source project

this is open source. https://vivaldi.com/source/

That is visible source. Without a license, it's not "open source".

Nor is the source provided there complete. The last time they were asked, they said only the C++ code is open and available to the public.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by scholia »

StevePerkins wrote: post #50
dzek69 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's open source. you cannot use the code or contribute, but still you can download the source code https://vivaldi.com/source/

> it's open source. you cannot use the code Umm... that's "visible source", not "open source". I'm not sure if it needs to be open source to accomplish their goals (Opera isn't). But much of the tech crowd they're trying to reach won't use proprietary software. Come to think of it, I can't really tell what their business model is supposed to be.

The business model is the same as every other browser: monetized search, plus a small number of paid-for bookmarks.

However, Vivaldi is a small operation so it doesn't need many users.

Also, it's self-financed so there are no outside investors and the founder can do whatever he wants.

> much of the tech crowd they're trying to reach won't use proprietary software

You do realize that Chrome is proprietary, as are Safari and IE/Edge? No tech users at all?

Gmail is also proprietary....

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by bshimmin »

castell wrote: post #28
JasonSage wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're b…

It's awesome that they implement an email client. (hopefully open source) Opera Mail and Thunderbird were good free email clients, but now discontinued. What options are there (PC)? Outlook, Windows 10 Mail, Windows Live Mail/Outlook Express, Thunderbird, IBM Notes, OSX Mail. Ideally, I would like an email client that is as powerful as Outlook, has the UI of Google mail (especially the conversation view), has superb…

How about Mutt? It's undeniably very powerful, and with its support for threading it's probably not that different from Gmail's "conversation view", with the added bonus that it won't read your emails and serve you adverts based on them!
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