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Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by ionised »

SyneRyder wrote: post #35
castell wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's awesome that they implement an email client. (hopefully open source) Opera Mail and Thunderbird were good free email clients, but now discontinued. What options are there (PC)? Outlook, Windows 10 Mail, Windows Live Mail/Outlook Express, Thunderbird, IBM Notes, OSX Mail. Ideally, I would like an email client that is as powerful as Outlook, has the UI of Google mail (especially the conversation view), has superb…

I like Postbox, which is a commercial fork of Thunderbird. Seems to hit most of your needs (not sure about the conversation view as I always turn off threads) and has some of the keyboard shortcuts of GMail. Definitely lets you store emails on disk / offline. Alas version 4 has been less stable than version 3 was. (Not free, but $20 is pretty cheap.)

I currently use Postbox but heard that the company behind it was experiencing financial difficulties and a low user base (not sure how much of this is true).

Given that, I was going to wait until PB4 is no longer officially supported and make a full switch over to Thunderbird.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by zerr »

frik wrote: post #14

The browser is fast, based on Chromium, has a nice Opera 12 inspired UI but is closed source.

Similarly to Opera, the startup time (even hot) is far behind Chrome. This is a deal breaker.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by mariusmg »

SyneRyder wrote: post #35
castell wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's awesome that they implement an email client. (hopefully open source) Opera Mail and Thunderbird were good free email clients, but now discontinued. What options are there (PC)? Outlook, Windows 10 Mail, Windows Live Mail/Outlook Express, Thunderbird, IBM Notes, OSX Mail. Ideally, I would like an email client that is as powerful as Outlook, has the UI of Google mail (especially the conversation view), has superb…

I like Postbox, which is a commercial fork of Thunderbird. Seems to hit most of your needs (not sure about the conversation view as I always turn off threads) and has some of the keyboard shortcuts of GMail. Definitely lets you store emails on disk / offline. Alas version 4 has been less stable than version 3 was. (Not free, but $20 is pretty cheap.)

Genuine question but what does something like Postbox has (for regular users) over the vanilla Thunderbird + addons to justify $20 ?

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by dzek69 »

zerr wrote: post #42
frik wrote: post #14

The browser is fast, based on Chromium, has a nice Opera 12 inspired UI but is closed source.

Similarly to Opera, the startup time (even hot) is far behind Chrome. This is a deal breaker.

it was way better several builds ago

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by StevePerkins »

It feels like they're trying to serve two competing goals with this:

1) Be a faster, lighter, more customizable competitor to Chrome

2) Be a full "Internet suite" with browser and email client

I'm sure how well you can accomplish #1 while pouring resources into #2.

Moreover, I'm not sure how much of an audience there even is for #2. The minority who want a desktop email client are very vocal about it, but most of us haven't used an email fat client in years (save for perhaps Outlook when forced to at work).

I was a huge fan of Opera back in the day, and still use it as the primary browser on my phone. But even in its heyday, Opera's mail client was pretty weak compared to Thunderbird or other options. Bolting-on a "meh" email client to a web browser is like a digital wristwatch that prominently display the current YEAR on the main screen... a largely unnecessary feature that just takes up room.

I toyed around with an earlier release of Vivaldi, and thought it looked promising. But at this point I wouldn't even consider a browser that doesn't sync bookmarks and other data across my devices. In terms of prioritizing resources, I care about that 1,000x more than re-implementing Opera features from the late 90's that most people won't use.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by levesque »

zerr wrote: post #42
frik wrote: post #14

The browser is fast, based on Chromium, has a nice Opera 12 inspired UI but is closed source.

Similarly to Opera, the startup time (even hot) is far behind Chrome. This is a deal breaker.

Your browser stays open for 99% of the day, I don't see why a slow startup would be a deal breaker.

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by dzek69 »

frik wrote: post #14

The browser is fast, based on Chromium, has a nice Opera 12 inspired UI but is closed source.

the browser is RATHER fast, but ui is single threaded, one tab can freeze the whole ui. also try to press and keep ctrl+t - it will froze, try this with other browsers - they are fine

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by ronjouch »

SyneRyder wrote: post #35
castell wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's awesome that they implement an email client. (hopefully open source) Opera Mail and Thunderbird were good free email clients, but now discontinued. What options are there (PC)? Outlook, Windows 10 Mail, Windows Live Mail/Outlook Express, Thunderbird, IBM Notes, OSX Mail. Ideally, I would like an email client that is as powerful as Outlook, has the UI of Google mail (especially the conversation view), has superb…

I like Postbox, which is a commercial fork of Thunderbird. Seems to hit most of your needs (not sure about the conversation view as I always turn off threads) and has some of the keyboard shortcuts of GMail. Definitely lets you store emails on disk / offline. Alas version 4 has been less stable than version 3 was. (Not free, but $20 is pretty cheap.)

Postbox looks like a fully-featured fork and I'd be glad to support their awesome work with dollars, but sadly there's no Linux build: https://www.postbox-inc.com/download

Re: Vivaldi 1.2 release

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Post by StevePerkins »

dzek69 wrote: post #45
frik wrote: post #14

The browser is fast, based on Chromium, has a nice Opera 12 inspired UI but is closed source.

it's open source. you cannot use the code or contribute, but still you can download the source code https://vivaldi.com/source/

> it's open source. you cannot use the code

Umm... that's "visible source", not "open source".

I'm not sure if it needs to be open source to accomplish their goals (Opera isn't). But much of the tech crowd they're trying to reach won't use proprietary software. Come to think of it, I can't really tell what their business model is supposed to be.

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