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Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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Re: Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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Don't mix up France and Europe. Yes, the EU tends to dance to France's tune, but their attitudes are not universal or even dominant throughout the Europe.

Are you saying that the rest of Europe is less anti-America/anti-Capitalism than France?

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I found this article really frustrating. The US government forces American tech companies to spy on users, so US companies are to blame? These services are so useful and well-liked around the world that they should be considered a threat? The author is amazingly willing to accord French bureaucrats the right to regulate the cultural consumption of Frenchmen. How is this defensible? Should we knock Netflix because it…

Let's look at it the other way. Launching a movie cost a ton of money. So to keep a diverse culture ( we all agreee diversity is great isn't it?) and diverse way to think, you need to help less mainstream way to think. You spend years elaborating complex way to let mainstream exists and makes money, without disturbing it too much, but still keep a working amount of culture disruptor and new ideas growing. And you eve…

Shouldn't it be up to individual French people to decide what they watch on TV or the internet? Why should the coercive authority of the state have any say?

Re: Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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Didn't Osama bin Laden write a declaration about culture invasion from the West?

That's not just a funny coincidence -- the American left has for decades been slowly allying themselves against the West. That's why no one on the left batted an eye when Google chose Yuri Kochiyama for their Google Doodle, despite that she said in 2003: "...I consider Osama bin Laden as one of the people that I admire. To me, he is in the category of Malcolm X, Che Guevara, Patrice Lumumba, Fidel Castro.... I thank…

Bin Laden killed many fewer innocent people than were killed and continue to be killed in the American middle eastern wars. Do you feel that Google should deny the doodle to anyone who says anything good about Gerorge W Bush or Barack Obama?

Re: Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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I found this article really frustrating. The US government forces American tech companies to spy on users, so US companies are to blame? These services are so useful and well-liked around the world that they should be considered a threat? The author is amazingly willing to accord French bureaucrats the right to regulate the cultural consumption of Frenchmen. How is this defensible? Should we knock Netflix because it…

How is it not problematic when American tech form an oligopoly on internet services? Especially when these services need to bend to the whims of American government.

I'd certainly agree with the second half of the problem; jurisdiction is a growing concern. No matter what service you use, you need to be concerned about what legal systems have (or claim) jurisdiction over them.

Regarding the first half, though: if you want to stop people from using a particular service, build a better service that everyone wants to use instead. If no such service exists, people will use what exists.

Re: Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't Osama bin Laden write a declaration about culture invasion from the West?

That's not just a funny coincidence -- the American left has for decades been slowly allying themselves against the West. That's why no one on the left batted an eye when Google chose Yuri Kochiyama for their Google Doodle, despite that she said in 2003: "...I consider Osama bin Laden as one of the people that I admire. To me, he is in the category of Malcolm X, Che Guevara, Patrice Lumumba, Fidel Castro.... I thank…

Lefties have parasitic degrees(sociology, gender studies, philosophy etc.) and they can't get money by doing something useful for other people. So what is their next step? It's to find a rich target and extract resources from them by blackmailing them.

Since it's mostly white men who have the most money, they are vilified. Lefties will implicitly tell white men: "Gives us money for our non-profit, diversity program or we will call you a racist/misogynist".

It's a fucking racket. Gives us money or we will bomb you will emotionally charged terms like racism, misogyny, privilege, sexism, bigotry, anti-poor and many other terms like that.

Re: Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's look at it the other way. Launching a movie cost a ton of money. So to keep a diverse culture ( we all agreee diversity is great isn't it?) and diverse way to think, you need to help less mainstream way to think. You spend years elaborating complex way to let mainstream exists and makes money, without disturbing it too much, but still keep a working amount of culture disruptor and new ideas growing. And you eve…

So to keep a diverse culture ( we all agreee diversity is great isn't it?) No, we don't all agree. Not when the "diversity" is someone looking at the market and saying "there are too many good movies. we need some shit ones". Nobody needs to diversify away from quality, which is essentially what the French laws do. Don't mistake the bizarre fetishes of a small number of French elite with some kind of natural law or e…

There are examples of more difficult media which don't get mass-media popular, not because of their quality, but because of their difficulty. These types of works make up part of the 'secret handshake' of the upper class -- it is how they identify each other.

France has the noble, but mistaken, idea that they can force lower and middle class people to take in high culture, and in so doing, will be able to make their country more egalitarian.

Sorry guys, cultural class isn't something you can just legislate away.

The upper classes (culturally, not economically) have spent generations training themselves to be very critical connoisseurs -- you're not going to undo that with some government-funded arthouse flicks and a Netflix tax.

Re: Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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I found this article really frustrating. The US government forces American tech companies to spy on users, so US companies are to blame? These services are so useful and well-liked around the world that they should be considered a threat? The author is amazingly willing to accord French bureaucrats the right to regulate the cultural consumption of Frenchmen. How is this defensible? Should we knock Netflix because it…

Didn't Osama bin Laden write a declaration about culture invasion from the West?

And how it was an non-issue in his opinion, or he would have been attacking Sweden.

Re: Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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I found this article really frustrating. The US government forces American tech companies to spy on users, so US companies are to blame? These services are so useful and well-liked around the world that they should be considered a threat? The author is amazingly willing to accord French bureaucrats the right to regulate the cultural consumption of Frenchmen. How is this defensible? Should we knock Netflix because it…

How is it not problematic when American tech form an oligopoly on internet services? Especially when these services need to bend to the whims of American government.

If the current crop of tech companies can supersede MS, AOL, Yahoo, MySpace, etc. Why can't companies from other parts of the globe do it as well? It just takes one company to do something different and build inertia. That's all.

What is keeping European companies from toppling Google or FB or Twitter?

Edit: Keyboard fail.

Re: Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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Don't mix up France and Europe. Yes, the EU tends to dance to France's tune, but their attitudes are not universal or even dominant throughout the Europe.

Are you saying that the rest of Europe is less anti-America/anti-Capitalism than France?

It's hard to not be, unless your name is Russia :)

Re: Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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Learning how to have slaves for population? How noble of them. Not really.

I lived in China. Can confirm I was not a slave, at least not in the sense that America had black slaves.

But are you prevented from visiting a wide range of websites?

That is them deciding for you what you can and can't do. If you're not Chinese citizen then it's your choice being there. But if you're a Chinese citizen then all choices are made for you, what qualifies you as a slave.

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