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Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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I found this article really frustrating. The US government forces American tech companies to spy on users, so US companies are to blame? These services are so useful and well-liked around the world that they should be considered a threat? The author is amazingly willing to accord French bureaucrats the right to regulate the cultural consumption of Frenchmen. How is this defensible? Should we knock Netflix because it…

Let's look at it the other way. Launching a movie cost a ton of money. So to keep a diverse culture ( we all agreee diversity is great isn't it?) and diverse way to think, you need to help less mainstream way to think.

You spend years elaborating complex way to let mainstream exists and makes money, without disturbing it too much, but still keep a working amount of culture disruptor and new ideas growing. And you even create way for the mainstream to do that, enabling cross pollination.

Then suddenly, a group that know nothing about your rules and believe that "all rules are bad anyway" come and control the main way to consume mainstream culture, rendering all your organisation void, cutting the money and support for the smallest groups.

Woops, you have to rebuild everything. Except that this time around, you have no grasp on that "mainstream" to get cooperation and build a working ecosystem.

The "market" is well and all. But an ecosystem need rulers and law enforcement. Too much rules is not good and i may agree that France and Europe was a bit too much (is a bit too much) coercive right now. But there is probably a middle ground that can be found.

Well now, i still believe lawmakers and rulers are decade behind the need of today technology. But it is not just "regulating consumption". It is also about future and keeping an healthy pool of new and fresh ideas.

Re: Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

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I found this article really frustrating. The US government forces American tech companies to spy on users, so US companies are to blame? These services are so useful and well-liked around the world that they should be considered a threat? The author is amazingly willing to accord French bureaucrats the right to regulate the cultural consumption of Frenchmen. How is this defensible? Should we knock Netflix because it…

> The US government forces American tech companies to spy on users, so US companies are to blame?

It's not so important who is to blame from a moral perspective, it's still a serious issue.

> These services are so useful and well-liked ... Companies like this don't come out of Europe for a reason.

Some do but mostly you are correct. French authorities in particular are very backwards and Socialist.

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I found this article really frustrating. The US government forces American tech companies to spy on users, so US companies are to blame? These services are so useful and well-liked around the world that they should be considered a threat? The author is amazingly willing to accord French bureaucrats the right to regulate the cultural consumption of Frenchmen. How is this defensible? Should we knock Netflix because it…

Didn't Osama bin Laden write a declaration about culture invasion from the West?

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I found this article really frustrating. The US government forces American tech companies to spy on users, so US companies are to blame? These services are so useful and well-liked around the world that they should be considered a threat? The author is amazingly willing to accord French bureaucrats the right to regulate the cultural consumption of Frenchmen. How is this defensible? Should we knock Netflix because it…

How is it not problematic when American tech form an oligopoly on internet services? Especially when these services need to bend to the whims of American government.

> How is it not problematic when American tech form an oligopoly on internet services?

They are the best so they won. I have no problem with that and I don't think anyone should have as long as there's no abuse of power.

> Especially when these services need to bend to the whims of American government.

This is what I have a problem with.

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I found this article really frustrating. The US government forces American tech companies to spy on users, so US companies are to blame? These services are so useful and well-liked around the world that they should be considered a threat? The author is amazingly willing to accord French bureaucrats the right to regulate the cultural consumption of Frenchmen. How is this defensible? Should we knock Netflix because it…

Let's look at it the other way. Launching a movie cost a ton of money. So to keep a diverse culture ( we all agreee diversity is great isn't it?) and diverse way to think, you need to help less mainstream way to think. You spend years elaborating complex way to let mainstream exists and makes money, without disturbing it too much, but still keep a working amount of culture disruptor and new ideas growing. And you eve…

> "rendering all your organisation void, cutting the money and support for the smallest groups."

How does Netflix not offering enough French TV shows do that? Did the government just stop giving them money once Netflix showed up?

Also, encouraging Netflix to take on more local content is one thing. I'm sure they'd love to. Forcing them to fund the creation of local content is another thing completely. These governments are looking to require that a foreign company fund domestic businesses to be able to access their markets. Seems like something that would run afoul of the WTO, or similar body.

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The article fails to mention some of the most significant events that have happened in this space: Google news fights.

Multiple countries have tried to force Google to pay to continue operation of Google News. Google was willing to simply stop operating Google News in those countries, rather than paying for the privilege. It turned out that the media companies needed Google more than Google needed them, and they worked quickly to get back to the prior situation (which is what Google wanted).

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I found this article really frustrating. The US government forces American tech companies to spy on users, so US companies are to blame? These services are so useful and well-liked around the world that they should be considered a threat? The author is amazingly willing to accord French bureaucrats the right to regulate the cultural consumption of Frenchmen. How is this defensible? Should we knock Netflix because it…

Didn't Osama bin Laden write a declaration about culture invasion from the West?

Invasion implies use of force and against the will of someone.

Nobody forces you to use Google services, eat hamburgers or listen to US music.

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I found this article really frustrating. The US government forces American tech companies to spy on users, so US companies are to blame? These services are so useful and well-liked around the world that they should be considered a threat? The author is amazingly willing to accord French bureaucrats the right to regulate the cultural consumption of Frenchmen. How is this defensible? Should we knock Netflix because it…

Didn't Osama bin Laden write a declaration about culture invasion from the West?

That's not just a funny coincidence -- the American left has for decades been slowly allying themselves against the West.

That's why no one on the left batted an eye when Google chose Yuri Kochiyama for their Google Doodle, despite that she said in 2003:

"...I consider Osama bin Laden as one of the people that I admire. To me, he is in the category of Malcolm X, Che Guevara, Patrice Lumumba, Fidel Castro.... I thank Islam for bin Laden. America's greed, aggressiveness, and self-righteous arrogance must be stopped."

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I found this article really frustrating. The US government forces American tech companies to spy on users, so US companies are to blame? These services are so useful and well-liked around the world that they should be considered a threat? The author is amazingly willing to accord French bureaucrats the right to regulate the cultural consumption of Frenchmen. How is this defensible? Should we knock Netflix because it…

Let's look at it the other way. Launching a movie cost a ton of money. So to keep a diverse culture ( we all agreee diversity is great isn't it?) and diverse way to think, you need to help less mainstream way to think. You spend years elaborating complex way to let mainstream exists and makes money, without disturbing it too much, but still keep a working amount of culture disruptor and new ideas growing. And you eve…

> But there is probably a middle ground that can be found.

There's a common failure mode (of both governments and other decision makers) of assuming that given two positions, the truth must lie somewhere in the middle. Sometimes one position is just wrong, and another is just right; the persistent presumption towards compromise allows wrong positions to chip away at the right one.

If you want to change laws, for instance, you need to provide evidence that the new position is actually better, not just that it's a compromise between what you proposed (and also didn't provide evidence for) and the status quo. Otherwise, the status quo should remain.

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