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Re: What Urbit is

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Post by urbit »

captainmuon wrote: post #87

So ignoring the abstruseness and pretentiousness for a moment [x], what I don't like is this model of immutable networking Urbit has. Maybe I am in a minority position, but I fear the future where everything is cryptographically signed, verifiable and irrefutable. I want to be able to go on a website and post bullshit that I'll regret 15 years later. And if after 15 years someone unearths that post, I want to be able…

I'd say this problem is best solved not by having no cryptographic identities, but by using disposable identities.

If you bound an identity cryptographically to your real name, that's permanent -- no getting around it. We all make mistakes. However, one of the benefits of Urbit is that you can build a reputation around a pseudonym that isn't linked to your real-life identity.

There's a place for the 4chans of the world, with totally disposable one-time identities. You can do this with Urbit as well -- use a 128-bit self-signing identity (comet). But most people tend to want a little more stability and permanence.

Re: What Urbit is

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Post by [deleted] »

corndoge wrote: post #63
pvg wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the paragraph before that. "It's actually quite possible to recognize that human population genetics has a lot of impact on politics and history, and also recognize that human population genetics has nothing at all to do with your individual, personal and professional human relationships. Nor does politics." You can't really make that non-racist by adding "I have progressive friends and quite like puppies"

Can you explain how that sentence is racist? I legitimately do not understand how it is.

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Re: What Urbit is

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Post by zardgiv »

mordocai wrote: post #81
zardgiv wrote: post #71

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Oddly enough, he never made that claim re:men and women. I wonder why he focuses on certain ethnic groups. There's a lot of rationalization going on here for people that usually are quite capable of critical thinking.

This is a hugely fallacious argument. Everyone focuses on something, if you want to extend your argument he should have also focused on diet, type of exercise, type of housing slaves are kept in, etc. Focusing on every single factor that could possibly effect slavery would be an endeavor probably greater than the average lifetime. Saying that some group of people or another would likely make better slaves than others…

Do you think there's an ethnic group genetically more likely to be poor or in jail?

Re: What Urbit is

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Post by toxic_throwaway »

carapace wrote: post #88
Melchizedek wrote: post #75

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It's simply a fact that ethnic groups differ in IQ.

I've met a lot of black people, but I've never met the black race. I've met a lot of white people, but I've never met the white race. I've never met a race and I don't expect to. I've met stupid people and smart people and a whole lot of people who were stupid one way and smart another, but I've never met anyone with an IQ and I don't expect I ever will.

Or as one notorious racist once put it: '"As for "race," you can learn way more about someone from a minute of conversation than from a full genome sequence -- even if we knew how to decode the information in the sequence, which we don't.'

Re: What Urbit is

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Post by sawthat »

Karunamon wrote: post #49
kefka wrote: post #28

I was looking into this, as I have connections to the devs via our hackerspace. After research, I steered away, and hard. 1. Newbies trying to grok the platform are mocked mercilessly. Publicly over reddit and twitter. 2. The "leader" is an avowed racist and nasty person in general. Now, ad hominems aren't "good"... but if I work on it, I get lumped into the similar group. Just no. 3. It uses "Hoon" to program, which…

Regarding point 2... Now, ad hominems aren't "good"... but if I work on it, I get lumped into the similar group. Just no. "Just no", indeed. This is tremendously faulty thinking; damning someone and their entire endeavor, bypassing any and all rationality by your own admission , not because they've committed some great evil, not based on such a trivial concerns as the merits of the project, ...but because they have t…

You have a right to say or think whatever you like, but that doesn't mean people are going to like it. I find what Yavin has written to be so odious it taints the entire project (which isn't common, normally I just don't are). It sounds interesting, but I just don't want to even touch it

Re: What Urbit is

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Post by zardgiv »

Moshe_Silnorin wrote: post #76
aaroninsf wrote: post #74

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Shame on you. Why are you and other devs are collaborators in behavior that should _never_ be tolerated? I don't give a FF how 'smart' (sic) Curtis is. When he crosses the line, YOU have a moral choice, and you should and will be judged accordingly. Do nothing to reinforce the line, enforce no consequences? _You are a coward, you are complicit, and your place should be removed from the table as well._ _Smart (sic) do…

The norm of shunning people for having ideas you disagree with would result in the collapse of society.

This is absolutely silly.

Just to take it to absurdity, and I'm not claiming Moldbug is a member of the Nazi party, but society would not collapse if we shunned people who espoused, for example, the ideals of Hitler and the Nazi party.

Re: What Urbit is

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Post by ci5er »

aaroninsf wrote: post #74
state wrote: post #42

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Hello! I'm one of the Urbit devs. 1. Has this ever actually happened? I'd be quite disturbed by that. We're more than happy to have people learning about Urbit, although we're not particularly active on social media. 2. Curtis is certainly controversial. None of us share his views, but we do enjoy working together. I'd like to think we live in a world where people who don't agree can still collaborate professionally.…

Shame on you. Why are you and other devs are collaborators in behavior that should _never_ be tolerated? I don't give a FF how 'smart' (sic) Curtis is. When he crosses the line, YOU have a moral choice, and you should and will be judged accordingly. Do nothing to reinforce the line, enforce no consequences? _You are a coward, you are complicit, and your place should be removed from the table as well._ _Smart (sic) do…

> collaborators in behavior that should _never_ be tolerated?

Why? What has he done to anyone? Do his designs have built-in genome detectors?

Or are you encouraging us all to join in as collective arbiters of wrong-think? Doesn't that seem a little too Maoist Cultural Revolution to you?

Re: What Urbit is

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Post by internaut »

chc4 wrote: post #86
internaut wrote: post #79

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> I'm interested in Urbit and play around with it (and actually own a galaxy Tell us about your experience and urbit thoughts.

Sure! I like a lot of the ideas, both on the merit of being weird and fun and genuinely being better. The view of having an operating system that has: * a built-in identity system and PKI * a typed and versioned file system * a typed command line * all apps being state machines (both being able to be upgrades over the air and operating based entirely on RPC primitives) * having the entire thing be a function on an at…

I want to get into Urbit like you have, everything you've said is appealing to me.

It's just like it's like reading the Lord of the Rings or the Bible. There is this book. It is really important to its fandom. It's affected everything else. It has massive scale and scope. Your feeling is that it's not going to be a light read.

So far I'm intimidated into skulking around the edges but hopefully not for long.

Bravo explorer!

You know even if we only got an PKI going that would be revolutionary. The 'modern' world hasn't a hope in hell of achieving that any time this century.

Re: What Urbit is

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Post by mundo »

chc4 wrote: post #86
internaut wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm interested in Urbit and play around with it (and actually own a galaxy Tell us about your experience and urbit thoughts.

Sure! I like a lot of the ideas, both on the merit of being weird and fun and genuinely being better. The view of having an operating system that has: * a built-in identity system and PKI * a typed and versioned file system * a typed command line * all apps being state machines (both being able to be upgrades over the air and operating based entirely on RPC primitives) * having the entire thing be a function on an at…

Any resources you found helpful? A google search on "hoon tutorial" seems to produce mainly urbit.org broken links. Does one need a galaxy/invite/whatever to be able to build it and play with it?
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