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Re: What Urbit is

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Claiming that some ethnic groups are genetically good slaves is "not racist except in the non-PC way?"

He defends what he posted under Mencius Moldbug in a Medium blogpost here[0], which is nominally level-headed. There are in fact genetic differences across ethnic groups (sickle cell anemia comes to mind immediately), and it would be silly to think that the only possible generic changes are changed skin color and a specific blood disorder. You can say that since men have a statistically higher muscle density, they ar…

Oddly enough, he never made that claim re:men and women. I wonder why he focuses on certain ethnic groups.

There's a lot of rationalization going on here for people that usually are quite capable of critical thinking.

Re: What Urbit is

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This is the first time I've heard of this, there just seems to be a bunch of holes in it. OK, so you have a basic embedded-style ROM vm with a light layer of application code above it. Hard, solvable problem that they seem to have covered. If it is supposed to be for the people how am I supposed to find a route between hosts behind a NAT? Is this galaxy.urbit.org the DNS and the TURN relay? Is the expectation of the…

Urbit's network is federated, not decentralized (although it could be).

Currently, you get a planet under a star under a galaxy. Galaxies are all discoverable under galaxy.urbit.org, and have a hard-coded public key in the kernel.

If I start up a planet under ~doznec under ~zod, and I want to talk to someone else, I first check if I already exchanged public keys with them and know their IP address. If I don't then I ask ~doznec (my parent). If they don't know, I ask ~zod. If they don't know, then I ask the galaxy that is the ancestor of the person to route me to the client, either on my behalf if I'm behind an extremely restricted NAT or just send me the IP and let us handshake. Galaxies are essentially root CAs.

There are also unknown, reputationless urbits called "comets". Their names, instead of being a number that maps to their hierarchy in the network, is the hash of their public key. This way, if you send a message to ~some-commet you are essentially using a pinned certificate. You still use ~zod for the initial sync of urbit files and TURN in the case of NAT, however. I don't see any reason why this can't become a DHT instead of using ~zod, however.

You can verify peers public key out of band if you want, or even add the peer to your known ships list manually if you are paranoid. You can even change the hard-coded galaxy keys in the source code, and then spin up your own galaxy...it just won't be trusted by anyone else on the network, and is probably a bad idea.

I'm not really sure what you mean by "classic plain text protocol"? Urbit builds its own network stack on top of UDP, that provides "exactly-once"(ish) messaging. All messages are just Nock nouns sent over the wire, with native support for RPC messages. You can just run `|hi ~haptem-fopnys "how are you?"`, and we have an IRC simulacra called :talk that you can switch to with ^X (type `;join ~doznec/urbit-meta`

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Actually, he writes pretty clearly in this post that he is a racist. He simply claims he isn't racist because he says while whites are smarter than Blacks that doesn't make them 'superior', just having higher IQs... So yes, he is a racist, but also stupid.

Statistically, at least last I checked, that statement is absolutely correct. The reasons for which is a matter of some debate, but the fact will resist any and all efforts to change it by way of insulting its speaker. Were it someone relating this in a less analytical way, that sentence would read "People with higher IQs are not necessarily 'superior'". Which is also true, as it happens.

Yep it is statistically correct.

For anyone interested in the potential reasons: one of the most posited ones is that the creators of the tests are inherently biased. i.e. if someone creating an IQ test is a white male, chances are white males will have an advantage on the test.

This has some degree of experimental evidence behind it, I remember in one of my psych classes we learned about a study where test creators tried to create tests [and succeeded] where certain races or locales would score higher [primarily by having people in those places or people of that race create the tests]. It's very hard to create a "general intelligence" test that isn't biased in some fashion [and many say it's impossible]

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I was looking into this, as I have connections to the devs via our hackerspace. After research, I steered away, and hard. 1. Newbies trying to grok the platform are mocked mercilessly. Publicly over reddit and twitter. 2. The "leader" is an avowed racist and nasty person in general. Now, ad hominems aren't "good"... but if I work on it, I get lumped into the similar group. Just no. 3. It uses "Hoon" to program, which…

Hello! I'm one of the Urbit devs. 1. Has this ever actually happened? I'd be quite disturbed by that. We're more than happy to have people learning about Urbit, although we're not particularly active on social media. 2. Curtis is certainly controversial. None of us share his views, but we do enjoy working together. I'd like to think we live in a world where people who don't agree can still collaborate professionally.…

Shame on you.

Why are you and other devs are collaborators in behavior that should _never_ be tolerated?

I don't give a FF how 'smart' (sic) Curtis is.

When he crosses the line, YOU have a moral choice, and you should and will be judged accordingly.

Do nothing to reinforce the line, enforce no consequences?

_You are a coward, you are complicit, and your place should be removed from the table as well._

_Smart (sic) does not excuse anyone. Arguably, the expectations should be higher._

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> The "leader" is an avowed racist and nasty person in general. Oh, good. This again. Curtis has stated publicly, "I am not an 'outspoken advocate for slavery,' a racist, a sexist or a fascist." See: https://medium.com/@curtis.yarvin/why-you-should-come-to-lam...

To me the parts of that document that treat on race show that this guy believes that races differ in IQ. That's racist.

It's simply a fact that ethnic groups differ in IQ.

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Hello! I'm one of the Urbit devs. 1. Has this ever actually happened? I'd be quite disturbed by that. We're more than happy to have people learning about Urbit, although we're not particularly active on social media. 2. Curtis is certainly controversial. None of us share his views, but we do enjoy working together. I'd like to think we live in a world where people who don't agree can still collaborate professionally.…

Shame on you. Why are you and other devs are collaborators in behavior that should _never_ be tolerated? I don't give a FF how 'smart' (sic) Curtis is. When he crosses the line, YOU have a moral choice, and you should and will be judged accordingly. Do nothing to reinforce the line, enforce no consequences? _You are a coward, you are complicit, and your place should be removed from the table as well._ _Smart (sic) do…

The norm of shunning people for having ideas you disagree with would result in the collapse of society.

Re: What Urbit is

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All of these comments seem to be saying that this is so well written. I still have no idea what it is actually trying to accomplish. Is it a decentralized storage/compute platform? Why are they calling it an OS? Why does it only reference existing technology to say it isn't that? None of the links are working for me either.

Sorry, the server was struggling for a moment. We fixed it.

It's an OS admittedly in the metaphorical sense -- the same sense that your browser is an OS. That is, a platform that runs higher-level programs. Urbit doesn't run on bare metal, though it could, in the same sense that your browser could.

In fact, one way of describing Urbit is "the browser for the server side." In the same way that your browser replaces a bunch of individual client apps with one native client that's a platform for higher-level programing, Urbit s/client/server/. Does that help?

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I was looking into this, as I have connections to the devs via our hackerspace. After research, I steered away, and hard. 1. Newbies trying to grok the platform are mocked mercilessly. Publicly over reddit and twitter. 2. The "leader" is an avowed racist and nasty person in general. Now, ad hominems aren't "good"... but if I work on it, I get lumped into the similar group. Just no. 3. It uses "Hoon" to program, which…

1. I'm really not sure how that happened to you. I'm interested in Urbit and play around with it (and actually own a galaxy), but am not an employee, and I've been more than happy answering questions from people via :talk who are starting out or wanting to learn more. I've never seen anyone mocked, publicly nor privately, and I really hope that it isn't still happening if it was. 2. The author had an alt-right blog u…

> I'm interested in Urbit and play around with it (and actually own a galaxy

Tell us about your experience and urbit thoughts.

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Not sure if you disagree with me or if you're just being sarcastic. Being enslaved is an awful fate but it is a hell of a lot better than being slaughtered because your oppressors can't find a use for you.

You may think that such a statement is merely logical, but it becomes rather something else when one, like Moldbug, has a long history of rhetoric where it seems pretty clear his sympathies are with the oppressors.

No, it's not merely logical, it's instrumental. Curtis Yarvin had a bone to pick with progressive society. I think it's highly likely that he still thinks it is ignorant, just as it does of him.

However, I don't think misconstruing his words is a good attack. The dust eventually settles.

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