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Microsoft sells patents to Xiaomi

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Re: Microsoft sells patents to Xiaomi

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Post by howlingfantods »

MasterScrat wrote: post #49
partiallypro wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. Chinese Gov has Huawei's back, not Xiaomi. The Chinese government backs several companies in the same industry, there's no reason to believe they don't have both company's backs >2. Their decision to make their OS to show crazy amount of ads is really short sighted. This must be a Chinese mainland thing, I've never seen this on any of their devices. > 3. They are falling dangerously behind Huawei in both sales a…

> I don't think so, I find the Xiaomi products to be very inticing and well built for the price. Have you ever used actually used a Xiaomi product for some time? Sure they are cheap and look ok but they are so unreliable it gets unbearable after a few months.

I have: Xiaomi speakers, plugs, air purifier, water quality tester, water purifier, router, backpack, portable charger, fitness tracker, lightbulb, etc.

They all work very well, and are exceptional quality, considering their price.

Re: Microsoft sells patents to Xiaomi

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Post by webkike »

howlingfantods wrote: post #51
MasterScrat wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think so, I find the Xiaomi products to be very inticing and well built for the price. Have you ever used actually used a Xiaomi product for some time? Sure they are cheap and look ok but they are so unreliable it gets unbearable after a few months.

I have: Xiaomi speakers, plugs, air purifier, water quality tester, water purifier, router, backpack, portable charger, fitness tracker, lightbulb, etc. They all work very well, and are exceptional quality, considering their price.

And yet you don't own one of their smartphones.

Re: Microsoft sells patents to Xiaomi

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Post by ferentchak »

partiallypro wrote: post #45
li-ch wrote: post #28

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No they will not. 1. Chinese Gov has Huawei's back, not Xiaomi. 2. Their decision to make their OS to show crazy amount of ads is really short sighted. 3. They are falling dangerously behind Huawei in both sales and quality of product.

> 1. Chinese Gov has Huawei's back, not Xiaomi. The Chinese government backs several companies in the same industry, there's no reason to believe they don't have both company's backs >2. Their decision to make their OS to show crazy amount of ads is really short sighted. This must be a Chinese mainland thing, I've never seen this on any of their devices. > 3. They are falling dangerously behind Huawei in both sales a…

My experience doing business with Huawei and being on site for a while was that they even pit different divisions against each other. The fear of competition or being beaten by another Huawei division was much more evident than any external company.

They hide ideas for other divisions and act very competitive with each other.

Re: Microsoft sells patents to Xiaomi

#54

Post by qihqi »

jb613 wrote: post #48
olalonde wrote: post #47

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Or you could say that one has a recent history of imperialism and militarism while the other is relatively peaceful and non interventionist.

squelching any internal dissent, creating islands in the ocean to hold military bases to takeover an entire section of the world, manipulating currency, providing infrastructure to carry out corporate and nation state espionage, etc... - these are what you consider "relatively peaceful and non interventionist"?

You mean Guam, US Dollars and NSA?

Re: Microsoft sells patents to Xiaomi

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Post by jb613 »

qihqi wrote: post #54
jb613 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

squelching any internal dissent, creating islands in the ocean to hold military bases to takeover an entire section of the world, manipulating currency, providing infrastructure to carry out corporate and nation state espionage, etc... - these are what you consider "relatively peaceful and non interventionist"?

You mean Guam, US Dollars and NSA?

Don't put words in my mouth. I was disputing the notion that China is "relatively peaceful and non interventionist". I purposely stayed away from the comment of "imperialism and militarism" of the U.S.

In contrast, your examples: 1) have nothing to do with China, 2) suggest that two wrongs make a right.

Re: Microsoft sells patents to Xiaomi

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Post by nickpsecurity »

jb613 wrote: post #37
dagw wrote: post #34

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They are free to innovate and come up with an ALTERNATIVE. Except in practice you aren't. Most pantens are so vaguely worded that any independent solution to a problem can be claimed to infringe on a patent. And even if you don't actually infringe on the patent, you better have a couple of years and a few $100k-$millions to dedicate to the court battle to prove that.

> Most pantens are so vaguely worded that any independent solution to a problem can be claimed to infringe on a patent. No longer true, over the past ~decade, quality of patents issued has dramatically improved. Most patents are actually very narrow. Just look at the sheer quantity that are issuing (in software in particular) - everyone is coming up with something different. > And even if you don't actually infringe…

There's allegedly over 200,000 patents that can cover smartphones in some way. They each have multiple claims. What you suggest is impossible. It's why both large players and startups just do whatever they want, attempt to pile up patents, and then let lawyers fight it out. Unfortunately, that works better for the bigger players.

Plus, the number of vague or obvious patents in enforcement has not declined in any serious way. We have a recent example with Virnetx pulling hundreds of millions out of Apple et al for using end-to-end crypto. Something that was invented before their patents. Their others say mix crypto with (service here), which isn't original either. People mixed crypto with all sorts of things. Adding it to something is a feature of crypto, not an invention. Specific mechanism maybe, but not concept.

Stuff like that is still normal in the patent suits. The suits are too expensive. So, most companies settle to loose good chunk of money. There's quite a few businesses with good products that refused to do business in U.S. specifically because of this. They operate in Asia. That Xiamoi's lawyers told management to not enter America with common products unless they had a pile of patents is telling.

Re: Microsoft sells patents to Xiaomi

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Post by justicezyx »

pawadu wrote: post #18

I think in 2-4 years, xiaomi will be a market leader. I believe this for three reasons: 1. the Chineese government got their backs. (e.g. foreign competitors have been forced to agree to not sue these guys to get their mergers approved) 2. they make long term strategic decisions. xiaomi is owned by the employees and don't have any short-sighted shareholders to please 3. their engineering and manufacturing teams have…

1. Not true at all. 2. Exactly the opposite. 3. Their software department is decent but falling behind; their hardware depart is quite weak.

Re: Microsoft sells patents to Xiaomi

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Post by kennell »

I own two Xiaomi phones, the Redmi 3 and the Mi 4C. I imported both directly from China for Of course if they enter western markets, the prices will go up (US/european regulations, warranty law, license costs etc.), but if that price bump stays reasonable... some of the big boys are in trouble.
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