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Microsoft sells patents to Xiaomi

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I think in 2-4 years, xiaomi will be a market leader. I believe this for three reasons: 1. the Chineese government got their backs. (e.g. foreign competitors have been forced to agree to not sue these guys to get their mergers approved) 2. they make long term strategic decisions. xiaomi is owned by the employees and don't have any short-sighted shareholders to please 3. their engineering and manufacturing teams have…

No they will not. 1. Chinese Gov has Huawei's back, not Xiaomi. 2. Their decision to make their OS to show crazy amount of ads is really short sighted. 3. They are falling dangerously behind Huawei in both sales and quality of product.

MIUI showing ads? Are you sure they come from first party apps?

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So, Xiaomi is getting the last pieces it needs to move into European markets. If it comes here (which has begun already), it has to play the patent game. Expect a $60+ markup on high end phones for that (industry sources). (old source: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/400-smartphone-pay-120-p... ) Now they just need to solve their cash flow issues to fuel this growth…

Lower end mobiles don't need to pay? There are many mobiles under 60 at least in India.

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It is kind of sad that the power of innovation is not really in making something that is new and customers want to buy; even entering the market means you need to possess a portfolio where you count the patents by hundreds or thousands, and then you hire lawyers to negotiate a balance scale where each side throws a portfolio in the cup.

It is telling two things: 1) The ability to compete and cost associated to compete is worse in US and Europe. 2) Further, patents are mostly used as anti competitive behaviour; it is not related to "innovation", nor is it related to research and development.

> patents are mostly used as anti competitive behaviour; it is not related to "innovation", nor is it related to research and development.

Generally, patents are derived from R&D which is where innovation directly comes from so it is "related". At the very least this is true in Microsoft's case.

Regarding anti-competitive - it's only anti-competitive if someone else attempts to COPY the innovation. They are free to innovate and come up with an ALTERNATIVE. The more alternatives, the more choices for consumers. If you want to copy then sure - patents block, but if you want to innovate then patents can provide incentivizes to carry that out.

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It is telling two things: 1) The ability to compete and cost associated to compete is worse in US and Europe. 2) Further, patents are mostly used as anti competitive behaviour; it is not related to "innovation", nor is it related to research and development.

> patents are mostly used as anti competitive behaviour; it is not related to "innovation", nor is it related to research and development. Generally, patents are derived from R&D which is where innovation directly comes from so it is "related". At the very least this is true in Microsoft's case. Regarding anti-competitive - it's only anti-competitive if someone else attempts to COPY the innovation. They are free to i…

They are free to innovate and come up with an ALTERNATIVE.

Except in practice you aren't. Most pantens are so vaguely worded that any independent solution to a problem can be claimed to infringe on a patent. And even if you don't actually infringe on the patent, you better have a couple of years and a few $100k-$millions to dedicate to the court battle to prove that.

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It is telling two things: 1) The ability to compete and cost associated to compete is worse in US and Europe. 2) Further, patents are mostly used as anti competitive behaviour; it is not related to "innovation", nor is it related to research and development.

> patents are mostly used as anti competitive behaviour; it is not related to "innovation", nor is it related to research and development. Generally, patents are derived from R&D which is where innovation directly comes from so it is "related". At the very least this is true in Microsoft's case. Regarding anti-competitive - it's only anti-competitive if someone else attempts to COPY the innovation. They are free to i…

Patents are double edged sword. They can be harmful for you and can be beneficial too. Patents are like, if you have one, you love patents, but if someone has one and he tries to enforce that on you, you start hating patent and the whole system eventually. I have been seeing this happening for quite some times.

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So, Xiaomi is getting the last pieces it needs to move into European markets. If it comes here (which has begun already), it has to play the patent game. Expect a $60+ markup on high end phones for that (industry sources). (old source: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/400-smartphone-pay-120-p... ) Now they just need to solve their cash flow issues to fuel this growth…

Lower end mobiles don't need to pay? There are many mobiles under 60 at least in India.

Well, that's not really an European market, is it?

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> patents are mostly used as anti competitive behaviour; it is not related to "innovation", nor is it related to research and development. Generally, patents are derived from R&D which is where innovation directly comes from so it is "related". At the very least this is true in Microsoft's case. Regarding anti-competitive - it's only anti-competitive if someone else attempts to COPY the innovation. They are free to i…

They are free to innovate and come up with an ALTERNATIVE. Except in practice you aren't. Most pantens are so vaguely worded that any independent solution to a problem can be claimed to infringe on a patent. And even if you don't actually infringe on the patent, you better have a couple of years and a few $100k-$millions to dedicate to the court battle to prove that.

> Most pantens are so vaguely worded that any independent solution to a problem can be claimed to infringe on a patent.

No longer true, over the past ~decade, quality of patents issued has dramatically improved. Most patents are actually very narrow. Just look at the sheer quantity that are issuing (in software in particular) - everyone is coming up with something different.

> And even if you don't actually infringe on the patent, you better have a couple of years and a few $100k-$millions to dedicate to the court battle to prove that.

Or before recklessly entering a market, evaluate the landscape. Do you have something new to offer, can you yourself protect your innovations, narrow down your product scope to minimize encroachment on others property, etc...

Think less about building the whole kitchen sink and more on being the best at some tiny improvement (texture of the handles, connectors to the pipe to minimize leakage, etc...). Think writing the perfect 50 LOC that others would want to use rather than building 50k LOC. The less code you ship, the more you've minimized your patent infringement risk (along with proper evaluation of competitors protect at the outset). Additionally, if you've found that 50 LOC that nobody does yet and others want to use, then you've likely also found something valuable to patent yourself. BECOME the innovator rather than sued by the innovator.

Business requires managing risks, patents are but a small factor if properly handled.

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I think in 2-4 years, xiaomi will be a market leader. I believe this for three reasons: 1. the Chineese government got their backs. (e.g. foreign competitors have been forced to agree to not sue these guys to get their mergers approved) 2. they make long term strategic decisions. xiaomi is owned by the employees and don't have any short-sighted shareholders to please 3. their engineering and manufacturing teams have…

> 2. they make long term strategic decisions. xiaomi is owned by the employees and don't have any short-sighted shareholders to please

How is it "owned by the employees" when the founder owns 3/4 of the stock? Do you mean "private"?

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I did buy two Xiaomi phones for members of my family. They are really good for the price when compared to more mainstream brands. They also have strong community support and both models I tried have unofficial Cyanogenmod firmware. To be honest though other than the possible "spying" from the Chinese ROMs, Xiaomi's MIUI is beautiful, well thought, and gets updated every week.

Given that all phones are manufactured in China, I would say that ship has already sailed. But I am an equal opportunity guy - if NSA is spying on me it is only fair to let the Chinese in too :) More seriously, since these phones are often bought from "gray market" vendors, I am more worried about cybercriminals planting malware in them when they are imported: http://venturebeat.com/2015/03/07/security-firm-finds-pre…

> if NSA is spying on me it is only fair to let the Chinese in too :)

I never understand this self-defeatist mentality. One represents a democracy while the other represents a communist dictatorship. If you trust them so much why not just move there and become a citizen :-) I mean, I hear there's lot of jobs have moved there the past ~decade.

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