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Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

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Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

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>Hint: corruption isn't just about simple bribery and envelopes full of banknotes passing hand. While I agree with you, I find the bare-faced cheek of publicly-advertised "donor clubs" that promise access to the Prime Minister for a mere £50k/year absolutely sickening: https://www.conservatives.com/donate/Donor-Clubs

Blimey, that's a fascinating link to be so public and explicit. They boast about not being funded by Trade Unions, and then invite big business to donate £50K so they can have lunch with the PM to "defeat the rise of socialism".

So … it's okay for a union to shake down 1,000 members for £50 each and donate money to a politician in hopes that he will support an agenda favourable to unions, but it's not okay for anyone else to do the equivalent?

Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

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The inadmissible truth about corruption in the UK is that it's endemic. And not just money laundering; the very way governments (both Labour, Conservative, and Coalition) have pursued the business of privatization of state assets since 1979 is uniquely corrupt, on a massive scale. Hint: corruption isn't just about simple bribery and envelopes full of banknotes passing hand. Ask yourself why so many cabinet ministers…

What are some examples of democratic countries where corruption is low? Ask yourself why so many cabinet ministers retire and end up on the boards of large conglomerates that specialise in bidding for government outsourcing contracts, or why so many long-term viable agencies of government Doesn't this happen elsewhere too? Example - revolving door in financial institutions

Maybe Switzerland? Direct democracy (kind of) sounds like best bet...

Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

#83
So much hand-wringing. Anyone who thinks Britain is corrupt has never been to a corrupt country. I lived in Britain 5 years and never had to pay a bribe, ever. In some countries bribes are required to even clear customs. Then driving in from the airport, the police stop you at road-blocks and demand bribes. And so on.

Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

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post #52

The inadmissible truth about corruption in the UK is that it's endemic. And not just money laundering; the very way governments (both Labour, Conservative, and Coalition) have pursued the business of privatization of state assets since 1979 is uniquely corrupt, on a massive scale. Hint: corruption isn't just about simple bribery and envelopes full of banknotes passing hand. Ask yourself why so many cabinet ministers…

Sounds like my native Portugal. Spain has similar issues. Not sure about Greece and Italy but I wouldn't be surprised if the same was going on.

Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

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post #81
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blimey, that's a fascinating link to be so public and explicit. They boast about not being funded by Trade Unions, and then invite big business to donate £50K so they can have lunch with the PM to "defeat the rise of socialism".

So … it's okay for a union to shake down 1,000 members for £50 each and donate money to a politician in hopes that he will support an agenda favourable to unions, but it's not okay for anyone else to do the equivalent?

The grandparent is pointing out the hypocrisy.

Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

#86

FWIW, a friend of mine once defined the corruption level of the country by the smallest size of a bribe you would have to pay someone. The lower the number, the more corrupt the country. Obviously not the best measure, but certainly practical.

I like this definition, but another way of looking at it is that in more corrupt countries, the middle and lower classes have access to the bribery economy that exists regardless.

Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

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post #72
post #52

The inadmissible truth about corruption in the UK is that it's endemic. And not just money laundering; the very way governments (both Labour, Conservative, and Coalition) have pursued the business of privatization of state assets since 1979 is uniquely corrupt, on a massive scale. Hint: corruption isn't just about simple bribery and envelopes full of banknotes passing hand. Ask yourself why so many cabinet ministers…

What are some examples of democratic countries where corruption is low? Ask yourself why so many cabinet ministers retire and end up on the boards of large conglomerates that specialise in bidding for government outsourcing contracts, or why so many long-term viable agencies of government Doesn't this happen elsewhere too? Example - revolving door in financial institutions

Singapore seems pretty low corruption. MPs get paid a ton here too.

Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blimey, that's a fascinating link to be so public and explicit. They boast about not being funded by Trade Unions, and then invite big business to donate £50K so they can have lunch with the PM to "defeat the rise of socialism".

I was genuinely surprised that they use that phrase - what does socialism mean in that context? The NHS, opposition to zero hour contracts, basic human decency?

Pretty sure in this context it's the redistribution of wealth part they're not keen on.

Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

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From George Bernard Shaw's "The Man Of Destiny":

No, because the English are a race apart. No Englishman is too low to have scruples: no Englishman is high enough to be free from their tyranny. But every Englishman is born with a certain miraculous power that makes him master of the world. When he wants a thing, he never tells himself that he wants it. He waits patiently until there comes into his mind, no one knows how, a burning conviction that it is his moral and religious duty to conquer those who have got the thing he wants. Then he becomes irresistible.

Like the aristocrat, he does what pleases him and grabs what he wants: like the shopkeeper, he pursues his purpose with the industry and steadfastness that come from strong religious conviction and deep sense of moral responsibility. He is never at a loss for an effective moral attitude. As the great champion of freedom and national independence, he conquers and annexes half the world, and calls it Colonization. When he wants a new market for his adulterated Manchester goods, he sends a missionary to teach the natives the gospel of peace. The natives kill the missionary: he flies to arms in defence of Christianity; fights for it; conquers for it; and takes the market as a reward from heaven.

In defence of his island shores, he puts a chaplain on board his ship; nails a flag with a cross on it to his top-gallant mast; and sails to the ends of the earth, sinking, burning and destroying all who dispute the empire of the seas with him. He boasts that a slave is free the moment his foot touches British soil; and he sells the children of his poor at six years of age to work under the lash in his factories for sixteen hours a day. He makes two revolutions, and then declares war on our one in the name of law and order.

There is nothing so bad or so good that you will not find Englishmen doing it; but you will never find an Englishman in the wrong. He does everything on principle. He fights you on patriotic principles; he robs you on business principles; he enslaves you on imperial principles; he bullies you on manly principles; he supports his king on loyal principles, and cuts off his king's head on republican principles. His watchword is always duty; and he never forgets that the nation which lets its duty get on the opposite side to its interest is lost.

Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

#90
post #38

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The end-point of your logic is that bankers are too important to prosecute, which is obviously unacceptable.

How can you honestly think that after reading this thread? The parent comment may or may not be correct (I honestly don't know), but author makes it really, really clear what his logic is, and it's nothing like it. If you came to such a conclusion, it means that you skimmed through the comments above in 2 seconds, and not even trying to understand what was actually written.

Excellent comment. People need to be called out for this behavior.
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