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Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

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Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

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The inadmissible truth about corruption in the UK is that it's endemic. And not just money laundering; the very way governments (both Labour, Conservative, and Coalition) have pursued the business of privatization of state assets since 1979 is uniquely corrupt, on a massive scale. Hint: corruption isn't just about simple bribery and envelopes full of banknotes passing hand. Ask yourself why so many cabinet ministers…

>Hint: corruption isn't just about simple bribery and envelopes full of banknotes passing hand. While I agree with you, I find the bare-faced cheek of publicly-advertised "donor clubs" that promise access to the Prime Minister for a mere £50k/year absolutely sickening: https://www.conservatives.com/donate/Donor-Clubs

Crikey, if you posted this to http://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom their collective heads would literally explode.

Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

#72
post #52

The inadmissible truth about corruption in the UK is that it's endemic. And not just money laundering; the very way governments (both Labour, Conservative, and Coalition) have pursued the business of privatization of state assets since 1979 is uniquely corrupt, on a massive scale. Hint: corruption isn't just about simple bribery and envelopes full of banknotes passing hand. Ask yourself why so many cabinet ministers…

What are some examples of democratic countries where corruption is low?

Ask yourself why so many cabinet ministers retire and end up on the boards of large conglomerates that specialise in bidding for government outsourcing contracts, or why so many long-term viable agencies of government

Doesn't this happen elsewhere too? Example - revolving door in financial institutions

Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

#74
post #40

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Also british - Cameron's father (and probably Cameron, caught lying), non the less. EDIT Why the downvotes? Factually incorrect? Don't think so: http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/07/david-cameron-ad... You don't like it. Fine, but don't downvote it.

He ran a fund which was based in tax haven to avoid double taxation. Lots of funds do things like this. It's not corruption or criminal.

I listened to a MoneyBox radio programme about this. The "financial expert" said that it was effectively a tax-deferral program, just like a pension plan. Any gains inside the fund were tax free until the money was brought back into the UK. It may seem unfair at face value, but any UK citizen can defer taxes on up to 100% of their annual income in a registered pension plan[0]. So, IMO, the fairness would depend on what investors can do with the offshore fund that regular people can't do with their pension plans?

0 - https://www.gov.uk/tax-on-your-private-pension/pension-tax-r...

Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

#75

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>Hint: corruption isn't just about simple bribery and envelopes full of banknotes passing hand. While I agree with you, I find the bare-faced cheek of publicly-advertised "donor clubs" that promise access to the Prime Minister for a mere £50k/year absolutely sickening: https://www.conservatives.com/donate/Donor-Clubs

Crikey, if you posted this to http://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom their collective heads would literally explode.

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Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

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How do you feel about HSBC being convicted of money laundering? Do you feel that they were wrongly convicted based on the original definition of the term?

They were not convicted of anything, if you're referring to the Mexico/Iran story which I guess you are. You heard the US Government's side of the story. The USG agreed not to take the charges to court as long as HSBC accepted big fines and didn't say anything (i.e. didn't attempt to defend itself in public). So there was never any court case or any judicial process involved. If you hear only the government's story a…

You're attempting to imply that HSBC was an innocent party, and that's simply nonsense.

HSBC was fined because it failed to follow the rules put in place to prevent money laundering. Often it completely failed to make any attempt to follow those rules. E.g.

"...The monitor’s findings described several incidents, among them one where an HSBC branch in Sinaloa, a Mexican state that has experienced much drug-related violence, opened a private-wealth account for a 19-year-old man who arrived with a bag containing thousands of dollars in cash. The man described himself as a shrimp farmer."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/hsbc-struggles-to-bring-money-la...

There was a consistent pattern of failing to flag, investigate, or report transactions that were clearly suspicious.

That's why HSBC was fined. There's no grey area here, and the laws aren't particularly onerous. They were simply ignored.

>it could trigger a collapse of the entire financial system as bankers exited the industry en-masse.

Considering the close association between banks and fraud/criminality, that would hardly be a bad thing.

So far in the UK we've had prosecutions for fraudulent mis-selling of payment protection insurance; fraudulent mis-selling of premium accounts; LIBOR rate fixing; forex rate fixing; and insider trading.

Last month DB settled out of court with traders who alleged - and provided evidence - of precious metal price fixing.

The entire financial industry is rotten to the core. It's the single biggest destroyer of genuine economic growth in the planetary economy, and it also has anti-democratic political influence which operates outside the usual constitutional checks and balances.

There is nothing remotely positive here. The industry needs to die, and it needs to be replaced by completely new structures and institutions that use the profit motive as an excuse for criminality in quite the same psychopathic ways.

Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you feel about HSBC being convicted of money laundering? Do you feel that they were wrongly convicted based on the original definition of the term?

They were not convicted of anything, if you're referring to the Mexico/Iran story which I guess you are. You heard the US Government's side of the story. The USG agreed not to take the charges to court as long as HSBC accepted big fines and didn't say anything (i.e. didn't attempt to defend itself in public). So there was never any court case or any judicial process involved. If you hear only the government's story a…

The American's case was that HSBC frequently circumvented the rules designed to prevent dealings with Burma, North Korea and Iran. That they did not disclose tens of thousands of sensitive transactions when they should have. That when setting up banks in Mexico they marked them as low risk when they should be marked as high. That their Japanese branch accepted huge blocks of sequentially numbered travellers cheques that originated from Russia without applying any scrutiny.

Is all of the above just 'moving money for remittances firms'? Or is it the US govs propaganda, reprinted by the BBC?

Your comment just seems winding and lacking logic. First you argue that HSBC didn't really do anything wrong and then that the US gov didn't even want to prosecute them because they knew the consequences would be 'apocalyptic'. If these things are both true then why did HSBC settle out of court? Why did they publicly appologise? Why not just see the case through to save face and $1.9 billion.

Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

#79
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were not convicted of anything, if you're referring to the Mexico/Iran story which I guess you are. You heard the US Government's side of the story. The USG agreed not to take the charges to court as long as HSBC accepted big fines and didn't say anything (i.e. didn't attempt to defend itself in public). So there was never any court case or any judicial process involved. If you hear only the government's story a…

The end-point of your logic is that bankers are too important to prosecute, which is obviously unacceptable.

How can you honestly think that after reading this thread?

The parent comment may or may not be correct (I honestly don't know), but author makes it really, really clear what his logic is, and it's nothing like it.

If you came to such a conclusion, it means that you skimmed through the comments above in 2 seconds, and not even trying to understand what was actually written.

Re: Britain is the most corrupt country in the world?

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post #61

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>Hint: corruption isn't just about simple bribery and envelopes full of banknotes passing hand. While I agree with you, I find the bare-faced cheek of publicly-advertised "donor clubs" that promise access to the Prime Minister for a mere £50k/year absolutely sickening: https://www.conservatives.com/donate/Donor-Clubs

Blimey, that's a fascinating link to be so public and explicit. They boast about not being funded by Trade Unions, and then invite big business to donate £50K so they can have lunch with the PM to "defeat the rise of socialism".

I was genuinely surprised that they use that phrase - what does socialism mean in that context? The NHS, opposition to zero hour contracts, basic human decency?
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