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Quitting your job to pursue your passion is a privilege

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Re: Quitting your job to pursue your passion is a privilege

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Amen. I'm one of those. I understand the intent of this article. It's however unfortunate that the author has not come across enough success stories. Here is mine, which is arguably very small, but came out of exactly the same situation of an employee branching out: * I saved, I was clear about not only what I like to do, but also what I'm good at. * I couldn't get to it in my 20s, but I did get to it in my 30s. * Ye…

Folks, I have no idea why this post was downvoted. I have some karma to lose, but it'd be very helpful if the downvoters showed the courtesy to explain their action. I'd love to improve the post.

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Re: Quitting your job to pursue your passion is a privilege

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Life is full of trade-offs, and sometimes the choices you make don't work out. The author sounds pissed off because they took a risk that didn't work out, so he's telling everyone that it's objectively "bullshit" to make himself feel better about his lack of success like it's someone else's fault. The fact is that both the haves and the have-nots take these kind of risks all the time, and few succeed. But some do and…

> The author sounds pissed off because they took a risk that didn't work out You didn't read the article, did you. He didn't take a risk, and it worked out just fine for him.

Article wasn't written by a man. You assumed that it was.

Re: Quitting your job to pursue your passion is a privilege

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We've attempted to reword the baity title to express the spirit of the article. If someone suggests a better (i.e. more accurate and neutral) title, we can change it again.

How about: Quitting your job to pursue your passion is horse apples

Profanity isn't the problem.

Re: Quitting your job to pursue your passion is a privilege

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> The author sounds pissed off because they took a risk that didn't work out You didn't read the article, did you. He didn't take a risk, and it worked out just fine for him.

Article wasn't written by a man. You assumed that it was.

true!

I didn't pay attention to the gender of the author when I read the article and made the mistake of trusting the commenter (who I was already accusing of not reading the article at all) to correctly gender the author

Re: Quitting your job to pursue your passion is a privilege

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By Jove he's got it! No wait, those last two words suggest it's not quite sunk in. I enjoyed the journey of this post, where we went from not even being able to imagine something worse than living with your parents, to realising, what if I didn't have parents? What if they kicked me out? What if... a hundred different scenarios that real people have to deal with in their lives. It was like watching personal growth ha…

> It was like watching personal growth happen right in front of my eyes. But looks like it didn't quite stick Hey, at least I got a close brush with it. :). Seriously though, my point is that you can make arbitrary thing into a "privilege" by selecting a subgroup of society that doesn't have that thing. You could also turn the table around and say that the not-havers are "privileged" by growing up not having to depen…

So, I'm not an expert in "privilege", but I generally approach it like usability. You know how the person who built a tool simply doesn't get why it's hard for other users, who have no context or history with it, to use the tool. It's a basic flaw in human psychology.

Teaching is similar, the person who knows everything about X struggles to explain X to people who know nothing about X, even though in theory they should be the best person possible. The shared context is just not present.

Your first line, where even after being prompted, you simply couldn't imagine something worse than living with your parents is a great example of this. Put yourself, just for a moment, in the shoes of the orphan, or the kid whose parents disowned them for being gay/trans/athiest/addicted, or the kid whose loving parents simply don't have space for them in their small apartment or would be breaking social housing rules by allowing them to stay.

From their perspective, you're being a bit of an asshole, but you weren't even trying to be an asshole. You just couldn't imagine that people like them existed, probably because you, your friends, your family, your neighbours don't fit that description.

The concept of privilege exists, not to make you feel guilty about this, but to make you aware of your unconcious biases. And to stop you accidentally being a asshole by e.g. deciding that everyone should use their real names online, which solves your spam problem, and causes issues for people with abusive exes, or secret lives they need to hide from their family or community. It's about acknowledging that people have different experiences in life for all sorts of reasons and you can't assume what is "normal" for you is all there is.

Getting back to usability, apparently there is video somewhere of a programmer watching people use his application through a two-way mirror. So enraged is he, by them "using it wrong" that he ends up throwing a chair at the mirror. I'm not sure why people get so upset by having their worldview disrupted in this way, but it seems to be a thing.

Re: Quitting your job to pursue your passion is a privilege

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> It was like watching personal growth happen right in front of my eyes. But looks like it didn't quite stick Hey, at least I got a close brush with it. :). Seriously though, my point is that you can make arbitrary thing into a "privilege" by selecting a subgroup of society that doesn't have that thing. You could also turn the table around and say that the not-havers are "privileged" by growing up not having to depen…

So, I'm not an expert in "privilege", but I generally approach it like usability. You know how the person who built a tool simply doesn't get why it's hard for other users, who have no context or history with it, to use the tool. It's a basic flaw in human psychology. Teaching is similar, the person who knows everything about X struggles to explain X to people who know nothing about X, even though in theory they shou…

Thanks for elaborating. I generally agree with the point of view you wrote in this comment, with few caveats:

> From their perspective, you're being a bit of an asshole, but you weren't even trying to be an asshole. You just couldn't imagine that people like them existed, probably because you, your friends, your family, your neighbours don't fit that description.

While I probably can't consciously put the right amount of weight to them and their situation - due to e.g. availability heuristic, like you described - I am at least theoretically aware of their existence and can emphasize in a limited way. My comments in this subthread weren't about denying their existence or their problems; they were against countering an idea with an example of people who can't apply it. I assume it's implicitly understood that tmpanon1234act's comment won't be applicable to everyone - but it will be for many, including most of the audience here.

> The concept of privilege exists, not to make you feel guilty about this, but to make you aware of your unconcious biases.

That's what it says on the box. It's not how it is used in on-line discussion. "Privilege" is most often brought up as a way to make people feel guilty and derail the discussion. I admit that I've become allergic to this word and can overreact even to legitimate usage of it, but that's due to the guilt-tripping it's most often used to induce.

> And to stop you accidentally being a asshole by e.g. deciding that everyone should use their real names online, which solves your spam problem, and causes issues for people with abusive exes, or secret lives they need to hide from their family or community. It's about acknowledging that people have different experiences in life for all sorts of reasons and you can't assume what is "normal" for you is all there is.

I agree this is a worthy goal (and something I try to be mindful of all the time - I actually thank HN for exposing me to so many various point of views that I can tell I've become much more conscious person because of it). But again, pointing out "privilege" is probably not the best way to achieve it now - that particular word has been overused for a different purpose.

To the points about usability:

> You know how the person who built a tool simply doesn't get why it's hard for other users, who have no context or history with it, to use the tool. It's a basic flaw in human psychology.

> Teaching is similar, the person who knows everything about X struggles to explain X to people who know nothing about X, even though in theory they should be the best person possible. The shared context is just not present.

Yeah, I learned to know it as the concept of "degrees of separation" and I think recognizing this is a crucial skill for teachers and tool builders. It's very much learnable - you recursively go down the ladder of abstraction until you reach your audience, and then build up from there. A lot of people don't do (or don't even care about) this, but those that do become again the best person for X - experts in X become the best teachers of X, and programmers become the best people to build digital tools for users.

> I'm not sure why people get so upset by having their worldview disrupted in this way, but it seems to be a thing.

I agree. Known psychological phenomenon that one has to be wary of all the time :). I know I sometimes get angry when I'm proven wrong, but I think I've learned to deal with it - the reward of being closer to the truth and understanding is worth it.

Re: Quitting your job to pursue your passion is a privilege

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I'm curious what you're working on for the "entrepreneurial lifestyle". I"m actually thinking of going a similar route to saving up a good few years worth of expenses, and then going solo. I'm trying to decide on contracting/consulting vs build my own product (I've done the latter fairly successfully before). Would you care to share your experiences or perhaps email for a couple questions?

I'll shoot you an email too, but I'm building a product. I started it 6 months before quitting, and by the time I put in my resignation I had a good amount of users and steady growth that's only continued since. At first I did some consulting to help with expenses, but eventually I dropped that work so I could focus better on the product. But I also reveled a bit too much in the initial freedom after quitting, and to…

That sounds awesome! It's good you mentioned saving for more than 1 years expenses. I'm close to that number but wanted to keep pushing to save for perhaps, 2 years or more. Yeah, send me a message sometime, would love to hear more :)

Re: Quitting your job to pursue your passion is a privilege

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So, I'm not an expert in "privilege", but I generally approach it like usability. You know how the person who built a tool simply doesn't get why it's hard for other users, who have no context or history with it, to use the tool. It's a basic flaw in human psychology. Teaching is similar, the person who knows everything about X struggles to explain X to people who know nothing about X, even though in theory they shou…

Thanks for elaborating. I generally agree with the point of view you wrote in this comment, with few caveats: > From their perspective, you're being a bit of an asshole, but you weren't even trying to be an asshole. You just couldn't imagine that people like them existed, probably because you, your friends, your family, your neighbours don't fit that description. While I probably can't consciously put the right amoun…

> "Privilege" is most often brought up as a way to make people feel guilty and derail the discussion. I admit that I've become allergic to this word and can overreact even to legitimate usage of it, but that's due to the guilt-tripping it's most often used to induce.

I've seen this claim a lot. What I find strange is that I'm a fairly "right-on" kind of guy, and hang out on some fairly "right-on" bits of the internet, yet I don't really see the word mentioned in any context that much. Yet apparently, lots of (mostly) young men with somewhat less progressive outlooks seem to be getting much higher exposure to this phrase than I am, and in a very particular kind of usage.

A few times I've tried to get to the bottom of this strange anomaly, and it seems there's popular online communities where people search the internet to locate examples of "political correctness gone mad" (or to save time they simply manufacture them) which they then submit to enrage their fellow community members with how the world is going downhill. Everyone's got to have a hobby, and many of them seem strange to outsiders, but the people who indulge in this seem to have lost perspective due to this self-selected overexposure.

Maybe there's other explanations, I'm older, maybe all the young kids hang out together online and berate each other for having privilege over snapchat or something and I just miss out on it, but the number of times the above explanation comes up is odd enough to me, without inventing even more odd explanations.

Re: Quitting your job to pursue your passion is a privilege

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I don't understand the extremist views of blog posts like this. Do you really need to think in such simplistic "truisms" and catch phrases? > Quitting your job to pursue your passion is bullshit. Not at all true. I know plenty of working class people who have saved money at their day jobs, researched a small business opportunity, and chosen to pursue it. A decent portion of them are succeeding beyond their wildest ex…

+100

Re: Quitting your job to pursue your passion is a privilege

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The concept of privilege is passive-aggressive shaming. And that's remarkable because shaming is passive-aggressive already.

This account seems to be using HN exclusively for political/ideological purposes. Please don't do that. It's not what this site is for.
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