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Boys who live with books ‘earn more as adults’

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Re: Boys who live with books ‘earn more as adults’

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention the heritability of economic status. Rich families have rich kids that grow up to be rich adults. News at 11.

Thus is the right answer, not "inheritability of intelligence". Economic status propagates through generations much more directly than any genetic quality like intelligence (which isn't even a quality commanded to a significant degree by genetics)

Why not both? And are the scare quotes suggesting that intelligence isn't heritable?

Re: Boys who live with books ‘earn more as adults’

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention the heritability of economic status. Rich families have rich kids that grow up to be rich adults. News at 11.

Thus is the right answer, not "inheritability of intelligence". Economic status propagates through generations much more directly than any genetic quality like intelligence (which isn't even a quality commanded to a significant degree by genetics)

> Economic status propagates through generations much more directly

Economic status only lasts on average 3 generations.

> genetic quality like intelligence (which isn't even a quality commanded to a significant degree by genetics)

Actually quite the opposite. Intelligence is almost entirely genetic.

The reason you think economic status propagates is actually that intelligence propagates, and intelligence is strongly correlated with income.

Re: Boys who live with books ‘earn more as adults’

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post #14

> perhaps they gained genes from their parents that prompt both collecting books and pursuing more lucrative occupations Are you implying here that curiosity and intellectual abilities are genetically inheritable ? If so, what stops eugenics from being morally indefensible ?

>Are you implying here that curiosity and intellectual abilities are genetically inheritable ? Intelligence as we can measure it (IQ) is highly related to genetics (so you can say inheritable). IQ is correlated to 0.86 in case of twins raised in the same family, or 0.76 in twins raised appart. > If so, what stops eugenics from being morally indefensible ? Nothing! I myself have spinal muscular atrophy and know that m…

> You could also have eugenics designed to increase the number of 'quality' people. Say, for example, giving money to people with an IQ higher than 150 to make more children. Or those with amazing athletics skills, or amazing beauty...

And have a world full of Aspergers and Schizos (correlated with IQ) or some giant mutants unable to survive the next asteroid strike. I hope you get the point - we have no idea what we are doing.

Re: Boys who live with books ‘earn more as adults’

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Unless they control for the heritability of intelligence this is a "wet streets cause rain" story.

Not to mention the heritability of economic status. Rich families have rich kids that grow up to be rich adults. News at 11.

This is not the first comment if this type there. But reading may have nothing to do with family's wealth. I grew up in really poor family (heck, we still had dirt floor on our kitchen when I was little), but I read a ton. Why I was able to do it? Public library and school library.

Re: Boys who live with books ‘earn more as adults’

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Honestly, I spent a lot of my childhood / teen years reading and engaging in other solitary activities and I sometimes feel like my time would have been better served trying to connect with my peers. I still read a lot these days, but I just do it with no expectation to derive future benefit from it. Mind you my reading these days is 70% non-fiction. I put reading in the same category of entertainment as TV and video…

Totally agree with his from my own experience. Although I think it's a grass is greener thing. Now that I connect with my peers more often, I long for the solace of focusing on books!

Re: Boys who live with books ‘earn more as adults’

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I'm delighted that my three boys and one girl have grown up or are still growing up in a house full of books in English, Chinese, German, and other languages. Sure enough, my oldest son makes a fine income as a hacker--but wait, I grew up in a house full of books too, and I've NEVER made as much money as he already makes. A correlational study like this can't show us the path of causation, if any. Any behavior geneti…

There could also be a simpler causal link: books and lucrative jobs could both caused by higher family socio-economic status.

Or higher social status being the result of having books and a good job.

Re: Boys who live with books ‘earn more as adults’

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I'm delighted that my three boys and one girl have grown up or are still growing up in a house full of books in English, Chinese, German, and other languages. Sure enough, my oldest son makes a fine income as a hacker--but wait, I grew up in a house full of books too, and I've NEVER made as much money as he already makes. A correlational study like this can't show us the path of causation, if any. Any behavior geneti…

Statistics never guarantee outcomes. Statisticly, men are taller than women, but still many are not.

Re: Boys who live with books ‘earn more as adults’

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I found the results of the study very interesting, but I wonder why it was limited to boys. That seems kind of arbitrary. Why not all children?

If the same study was just girls, would you also object?

The truth is that boys are falling behind academically, I think most normal people would agree that in a well designed educational system, gender would not factor in outcome.

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