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Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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Post by beloch »

A more accurate title:

Half of misogynistic abuse aimed at female twitter users in the UK found to be from other women.

The reality is that, in other countries, things may be very different. Also, this study in no way attempted to quantify all forms of online abuse. Heck, if women are this bad to each other, they may actually commit well more than half of all abuse if you include abuse aimed at males. Boys can be pretty nasty to each other too, but I suspect more of it is "offline".

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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Post by Aelinsaar »

nxzero wrote: post #65
Aelinsaar wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily, but at least the methods can be evaluated to see how likely it is that they can be. A black box with, "Trust us, here's what we found" is weak as hell, unless you're still into Pons and Fleischmann I guess.

Strange that you believe any science that's not reproducible is science. Or assume that if the science is not reproduced, it's sciencifically valid. Science is not a singlar effort, nor is peer review without replication. Please question your assumptions about what science really is.

Strange that you believe any science that's not reproducible is science. Or assume that if the science is not reproduced, it's sciencifically valid.

That's the exact opposite of what I said. What's wrong with you?

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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Post by stdbrouw »

zxcvvcxz wrote: post #30

> When an article makes a politically correct claim: "Yeah I totally feel this is true, this one time [insert anecdote here]" > When an article makes a not-so politically correct claim: "Well it's not peer reviewed / look at the paper that's publishing it / this is the wrong definition / headline is misleading / [insert criticism not related to the claim]"

It's not necessarily wrong to expect different standards of evidence for different kinds of claims, and to expect a very high standard of evidence for claims that might have profound social implications.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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Post by vox_mollis »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #34

Anecdotal hand-waving BS: Something I've noticed over the last several years are people who feel so victimized in some way that they actually begin acting like their victimizer. Gay people who anonymously act violently homophobic. Black people who paint KKK images on campus property. Weird. I'd guess it's just a very small minority of people who are like that, but online, in aggregate form, it could turn into a signi…

Regarding your examples: Think less Stockholm Syndrome, more Agents Provocateur.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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Post by jshevek »

homogeneous wrote: post #67
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but look at the ratio, way more disagreement that something like a "we need better infrastructure" article. When the topic is politically correct people agree and argue about the edge cases. When it's not politically correct people do mental gymnastics or pile up anecdotes to discredit it.

Are we looking at the same thread? There are clearly many more comments in here expressing anecdotal confirmation of the study's findings than those suggesting the study's methods preclude it from consideration.

By time stamps, I think the first wave of comments had one tone, and the next wave of comments took the opposite tone.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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Post by Pxtl »

zxcvvcxz wrote: post #30

> When an article makes a politically correct claim: "Yeah I totally feel this is true, this one time [insert anecdote here]" > When an article makes a not-so politically correct claim: "Well it's not peer reviewed / look at the paper that's publishing it / this is the wrong definition / headline is misleading / [insert criticism not related to the claim]"

s/politically correct/supports my preconceptions/

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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Post by aethos »

mark_chosenberg wrote: post #13

And most likely if you parsed specifically tweets containing the n word, you'd find most of said tweets are authored by black people. Not sure what the point of this article is.

I don't think that is very relevant. While the n-word is a relatively common part of african american vernacular, it is not that "slut" or "whore" are specifically part of female vernacular.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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Post by Karunamon »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #34

Anecdotal hand-waving BS: Something I've noticed over the last several years are people who feel so victimized in some way that they actually begin acting like their victimizer. Gay people who anonymously act violently homophobic. Black people who paint KKK images on campus property. Weird. I'd guess it's just a very small minority of people who are like that, but online, in aggregate form, it could turn into a signi…

Also related, IMO, would be politicians vehemently campaigning against X (where X is marriage equality, sexual promiscuity, abortions, or otherwise some social wedge issue), and then it turns out that the politician was directly and hypocritically involved in X.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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Post by geofft »

arprocter wrote: post #69
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but look at the ratio, way more disagreement that something like a "we need better infrastructure" article. When the topic is politically correct people agree and argue about the edge cases. When it's not politically correct people do mental gymnastics or pile up anecdotes to discredit it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling

Does virtue signalling actually exist? I haven't seen any peer-reviewed papers about it.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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Post by vonklaus »

beloch wrote: post #71

A more accurate title: Half of misogynistic abuse aimed at female twitter users in the UK found to be from other women. The reality is that, in other countries, things may be very different. Also, this study in no way attempted to quantify all forms of online abuse. Heck, if women are this bad to each other, they may actually commit well more than half of all abuse if you include abuse aimed at males. Boys can be pre…

I think the most important thing we can do is continue to try and bring people together by grouping them based on a single feature and then ascribing traits to them, then arguing about it on the internet. We need to keep telling our children to be nice to "black people" and "women are mean to men" and sometimes(honestly a lot of times) "men are mean to women".

We need to start censoring the internet immeadiately and NEVER identify as a diverse difficultly grouped species that cooperates and gets a long.

Now more than ever we need Democrats to hate Republicans, conservatives to hate transexuals and people who use Vim to continue to identify as the gods they are against inferior morons who use Emacs.

also, PCMaster race, if you use linux or microsoft you need to die.

This should be the next X Prize, finding interesting arbitrary (or obvious) distinctions and continuing to allow them to detract from solving real problems.

edit: inb4 Poe's law. If you didn't catch it, this is frustration-sarcasm.

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