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Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

#61

> When an article makes a politically correct claim: "Yeah I totally feel this is true, this one time [insert anecdote here]" > When an article makes a not-so politically correct claim: "Well it's not peer reviewed / look at the paper that's publishing it / this is the wrong definition / headline is misleading / [insert criticism not related to the claim]"

This observation sounds like a case of confirmation bias to me. Check out this thread for multiple examples of how this "not-so politically correct claim" "makes sense" (among other thoughtful anecdotes along the trajectory of the article's headline)

but look at the ratio, way more disagreement that something like a "we need better infrastructure" article.

When the topic is politically correct people agree and argue about the edge cases. When it's not politically correct people do mental gymnastics or pile up anecdotes to discredit it.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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post #52
post #3

Honestly though, equating "online abuse" to some name calling on Twitter is totally disingenuous. What about harassment and rape threats and doxing and swatting?

Yes, absolutely. We should not equate name calling with "online abuse". And yet every time I read a blog or article about "the scourge of online abuse!" they inevitably inflate their claims by including 'name calling' as abuse.

Re-read, dude. I said we shouldn't equate online abuse with name calling, that doesn't mean we shouldn't consider name calling online abuse, just that the definition of online abuse is not limited to name calling, which is what the headline is doing.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

#63

In my almost 40 years of living, I've learned one thing about women, they love attention, and you better learn when is necessary to give it to them and when is better for both if you ignore them.

True but trivial, in that what you say is also true for men. It might still be useful to say, since some men occasionally need reminding that women are humans with human behavior.

>since some men occasionally need reminding that women are humans with human behavior.

I never implied the contrary.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see it that way at all. I think the sort of casually calling other women slags and hoes or whatever (ie normalised internalised misogyny) is a very different ball game to the gamergate style evil shit that happens.

Why not? Look at the case of Lori Drew [0]. She cyberbullied her daughter's friend into committing suicide. Women are not incapable of committing nasty stuff on the internet. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Drew

I'm not claiming they aren't, but again, saying "probably" and assuming the iceberg extends equally the whole way down is entirely unsubstantiated.

I was merely saying that name calling and harassment are often completely different mindsets.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If your results can't be replicated Results aren't replicated during peer review, are they?

Not necessarily, but at least the methods can be evaluated to see how likely it is that they can be. A black box with, "Trust us, here's what we found" is weak as hell, unless you're still into Pons and Fleischmann I guess.

Strange that you believe any science that's not reproducible is science. Or assume that if the science is not reproduced, it's sciencifically valid.

Science is not a singlar effort, nor is peer review without replication.

Please question your assumptions about what science really is.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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post #39

Headline seems a bit misleading. "Half of online abuse" seems to suggest that this study is representative of the internet as a whole instead of just twitter. While the findings are still worthwhile, I think we'd see different results if the study could have included sites like 4chan, reddit, tumblr or even facebook. Of course, there are practical challenges to getting accurate demographic information on those platfo…

Additionally it wasn't looking at broad online abuse, it was looking specifically at (according to the Guardian reporting of this study) the uses of the word "slut" and "whore" in terms of online misogyny.

It's like looking at mentions of the n-word and coming to the conclusion that NWA is the more racist than the KKK.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

#67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This observation sounds like a case of confirmation bias to me. Check out this thread for multiple examples of how this "not-so politically correct claim" "makes sense" (among other thoughtful anecdotes along the trajectory of the article's headline)

but look at the ratio, way more disagreement that something like a "we need better infrastructure" article. When the topic is politically correct people agree and argue about the edge cases. When it's not politically correct people do mental gymnastics or pile up anecdotes to discredit it.

Are we looking at the same thread? There are clearly many more comments in here expressing anecdotal confirmation of the study's findings than those suggesting the study's methods preclude it from consideration.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

#68

> When an article makes a politically correct claim: "Yeah I totally feel this is true, this one time [insert anecdote here]" > When an article makes a not-so politically correct claim: "Well it's not peer reviewed / look at the paper that's publishing it / this is the wrong definition / headline is misleading / [insert criticism not related to the claim]"

> When an article makes a claim i like

"Yeah I totally feel this is true, this one time [insert anecdote here]"

> When an article makes a claim i don't like

"Well it's not peer reviewed / look at the paper that's publishing it / this is the wrong definition / headline is misleading / [insert criticism not related to the claim]"

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This observation sounds like a case of confirmation bias to me. Check out this thread for multiple examples of how this "not-so politically correct claim" "makes sense" (among other thoughtful anecdotes along the trajectory of the article's headline)

but look at the ratio, way more disagreement that something like a "we need better infrastructure" article. When the topic is politically correct people agree and argue about the edge cases. When it's not politically correct people do mental gymnastics or pile up anecdotes to discredit it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, absolutely. We should not equate name calling with "online abuse". And yet every time I read a blog or article about "the scourge of online abuse!" they inevitably inflate their claims by including 'name calling' as abuse.

Re-read, dude. I said we shouldn't equate online abuse with name calling, that doesn't mean we shouldn't consider name calling online abuse, just that the definition of online abuse is not limited to name calling, which is what the headline is doing.

Edit: My point is that this kind of dishonesty is now the norm when discussing online abuse.
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