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TSA's Head of Security 'Removed' from Office

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Re: TSA's Head of Security 'Removed' from Office

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #158
zeveb wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what I think you're saying is that law-abiding people don't shoot people. Well, duh... No, OP complains that in the U.S. 'everyone' can carry firearms legally (not actually true: felons, wife-beaters, citizens of New Jersey & similar folks are prohibited from carrying firearms) and thus we have a high murder rate. I pointed out that the issue is not the legal right, since the folks committing the murders are not, f…

because I'm happy to give up my freedom to carry a gun in return for the knowledge that other people are similarly unarmed and therefore unable to shoot me. It's what we do in a polite society; restrict our freedoms to respect the rights of others. I don't play music loudly on public transport for the same reason.

How about the knowledge that other people know that you are unarmed, and therefore are free to attack you with fists or knives without fear of you shooting them?

This is not idle rhetoric. Britain has much lower gun violence statistics than the US, but higher total violence statistics.

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Post by Tempest1981 »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #81
KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #38

I've been to the DMV yesterday. You wait in line for 40 minutes in the sun just to get a number and then wait some more. Once you get a number, you're counted in the official wait time statistics published on their website, so the extra 40 minutes are shaved off for free. Who ever though it was going to be different when the TSA was created?

I've noticed that at McDonald's in the past (though not recently). A time would start as soon as the employee starts on your order, and stops once you're given your change. The five minutes I waited getting up to the counter is ignored, as is the 1-2 minutes waiting for my order to be assembled. So I've spent 7-8 minutes waiting, and the POS machine is insulting me with the display "service time 40 seconds".

Things will be faster soon, once the robots arrive: http://arstechnica.com/business/2016/05/mcdonalds-ex-ceo-15h...

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Post by chris_wot »

forgotpwtomain wrote: post #21
chris_wot wrote: post #13

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Oh, a shoot out by multiple panicked passengers on a packed, pressurised plane. Sure, real safe. Not to mention it only takes one dimwit to not store his gun safely and accidentally fire it and someone (or everyone) dies. I've never understood this argument that if everyone has guns then everyone is safer.

> Oh, a shoot out by multiple panicked passengers on a packed, pressurised plane. Sure, real safeYou You actually used to be able to travel with firearms on planes (edit: as carry-on). And the above never occurred afaik.

So if it never occurred, then what was the point of carrying the guns?

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

chris_wot wrote: post #163
forgotpwtomain wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oh, a shoot out by multiple panicked passengers on a packed, pressurised plane. Sure, real safeYou You actually used to be able to travel with firearms on planes (edit: as carry-on). And the above never occurred afaik.

So if it never occurred, then what was the point of carrying the guns?

Same reason as carrying your other personal possessions--to get them from point A to point B.

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Post by eeeeeeeeeeeee »

cheald wrote: post #132
btilly wrote: post #92

Can we just get rid of the TSA? Current estimates are that hundreds of people die each year in car accidents because they chose to drive rather than deal with TSA lines. This means that every few years the TSA manages to inflict more casualties than 9/11 did. In addition to inconvenience, economic inefficiency, and a demonstrably ineffective screening process that weapons can easily get through. (As many have shown.)…

> Current estimates are that hundreds of people die each year in car accidents because they chose to drive rather than deal with TSA lines. This means that every few years the TSA manages to inflict more casualties than 9/11 did. I don't have a link, but at one point, someone did the math on the backscatter machines (the ones that emitted ionizing radiation, which have since been replaced) and the number of people go…

I believe those were the old machines (the ones made by Michael Chertoff's company), which are no longer in use. I have heard they might be at smaller airports, but I haven't seen them in a long time.

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Post by [deleted] »

ancap wrote: post #93
rdtsc wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Congress diverted funds collected from the "9/11 Tax" (per-ticket fixed fee used to fund TSA) to other parts of the government budget. The union is requesting emergency funding for 8,000 additional TSOs, which would only bring it back to 2011 staffing levels. There is a good chance they are deliberately trying to cause long delays so media will get outraged, and then they can say "it is because of not enough fundin…

This is called the Washington Monument Syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Monument_Syndrome It is a common tactic governments employ to spur the people to accepting higher taxes.

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Re: TSA's Head of Security 'Removed' from Office

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Post by chris_wot »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #164
chris_wot wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if it never occurred, then what was the point of carrying the guns?

Same reason as carrying your other personal possessions--to get them from point A to point B.

Except the OP posited we'd all be safer if everyone carried guns on a plane. If it was to merely transport them and they aren't used, I'm just unclear how it makes anyone more or less safer?
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