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Re: Peter Thiel on the Global Economy, Technology, Artificial Intelligence [video]

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OK, the big theme here is "innovation has slowed down, but this is being masked by all the activity around computers". So let's take a look at that. Way too many smart people are tied up doing rather banal things with computers, or in finance. That's capitalism in action. What isn't being worked on? Thiel is bothered by lack of progress in medicine. Medicine is now working on really hard problems, most of which are c…

Redesigning the human metabolism to eliminate aging is a project of such vast complexity as to be far, far beyond our present horizons. Consider that it took a few billion dollars and the last fifteen years to gather a little more knowledge of sirtuins, one very tiny slice of mammalian biochemistry related to the calorie restriction response, the most reliable and well-studied way to slightly slow down aging. The research and development community can't even provide a timeline for mimicking even a small fraction of this natural state reliably and safely. Making a whole new human biochemistry that works more like lobsters or hydra? Not until very late this century, I'd imagine, will this be something plausible as a long-term vision.

Meanwhile there is in fact an easy path to eliminating aging. Aging is damage accumulation at root. The easy path is to periodically repair that damage - the damage is already identified, after all. Sufficiently good maintenance is the road to eliminating aging; let it happen but control it. Maintain the biochemistry we have and that we know works.

http://www.sens.org/research/introduction-to-sens-research

This has a large weight of evidence behind it, and approaches are already being demonstrated in the case of senescent cell clearance, removal of transthyretin and beta amyloids, and averting the consequences of mitochondrial DNA damage. Others will follow as results become more compelling.

Re: Peter Thiel on the Global Economy, Technology, Artificial Intelligence [video]

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There is an interesting TED lecture about the gradual rise in intelligence, how children are usually smarter than their parents.

Well, our parents invented things like nuclear energy and semiconductor physics, while we invented, what, social media?

Software that everyone in the world can use simultaneously. Sounds like a pretty good invention to me.

Re: Peter Thiel on the Global Economy, Technology, Artificial Intelligence [video]

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Well, our parents invented things like nuclear energy and semiconductor physics, while we invented, what, social media?

Software that everyone in the world can use simultaneously. Sounds like a pretty good invention to me.

Except that it isn't. For example, if everybody in the world opened a single Google Docs document, then the system would break horrendously. This type of software is still very much compartmentalized.

Re: Peter Thiel on the Global Economy, Technology, Artificial Intelligence [video]

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after Trump nomination, o to -1, sorry Thiel, you are not welcome

Your comment is not useful, but nevertheless his endorsement is worth discussing. It's obvious that trump is more aligned with his world view of a more risk taking, long-term planning and less people-pleasing leadership. You should also not assert yourself as a representative or gatekeeper of the community. It's this mindset that should not be welcome here.

Trump long-term planning? In what way?

Re: Peter Thiel on the Global Economy, Technology, Artificial Intelligence [video]

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The average IQ will always be 100. It will also always be perfectly normally distributed. Because it's designed that way. http://www.michna.com/iq.htm > In truth the IQ is a purely statistical measure. It has no direct relation to brain performance, is not proportional to it, and doesn't even have any linear or otherwise straightforward relation to it. The only thing you can say is that somebody with a higher IQ will…

There is an interesting TED lecture about the gradual rise in intelligence, how children are usually smarter than their parents.

That is a great lecture, and worth linking to (hence this reply), even more so for its lessons about how changes in abstract thinking lead to changes in moral standards and behavior: http://www.ted.com/talks/james_flynn_why_our_iq_levels_are_h...

If one is more interested in discussion of the effect itself, and whether the IQ score changes reflect actual changes in intelligence between generations, Flynn has a longer and more academic discussion on the subject here: http://www.psychometrics.cam.ac.uk/about-us/directory/beyond...

Re: Peter Thiel on the Global Economy, Technology, Artificial Intelligence [video]

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software that everyone in the world can use simultaneously. Sounds like a pretty good invention to me.

Except that it isn't. For example, if everybody in the world opened a single Google Docs document, then the system would break horrendously. This type of software is still very much compartmentalized.

Sounds like it's still a good problem for us to keep working on then :)

Re: Peter Thiel on the Global Economy, Technology, Artificial Intelligence [video]

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after Trump nomination, o to -1, sorry Thiel, you are not welcome

Your comment is not useful, but nevertheless his endorsement is worth discussing. It's obvious that trump is more aligned with his world view of a more risk taking, long-term planning and less people-pleasing leadership. You should also not assert yourself as a representative or gatekeeper of the community. It's this mindset that should not be welcome here.

>... nevertheless his endorsement is worth discussing. It's obvious that trump is more aligned with his world view of a more risk taking, long-term planning and less people-pleasing leadership.

Given some of Thiel's views and statements on politics (and without necessarily making a value judgment on those views), I'd honestly put more money on his just wanting to hurt the functioning and credibility of the US government as much as possible by seeing Trump elected.

At least one source[1] reports it as: "'Peter has become an increasing admirer of Trump's public attacks on political correctness, especially what he has been saying about women,' says a close friend of Thiel...."

[1]https://heatst.com/politics/the-real-reasons-peter-thiel-has...

Re: Peter Thiel on the Global Economy, Technology, Artificial Intelligence [video]

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, our parents invented things like nuclear energy and semiconductor physics, while we invented, what, social media?

Software that everyone in the world can use simultaneously. Sounds like a pretty good invention to me.

> Software that everyone in the world can use simultaneously

Our parents invented the Internet too ...

Re: Peter Thiel on the Global Economy, Technology, Artificial Intelligence [video]

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This video is oddly pessimistic, but to me, Thiel is overlooking where the greatest advances are yet to come.

The advances in computers are advances in processing power and connectivity. Every industry uses both of these elements to succeed. Now that computers are reaching a sort of peak development, there is going to be a dispensing of the capabilities that computers offer into other industries.

Its hard for me to put it into words, but I think that computers are simply a stepping stone for real achievements to come.

The car has basically reached peak performance years ago, but we aren't disappointed in the fact that there was a lot of focus improving the car and a giant vehicle industry for many many years. Instead we moved on to building things that can use a car, such as the highway system. Or the mail delivery system, or the thousands of industries that completely rely on highways or mail.

In the same way with computers, we are now going to see industries and technologies appear that rely on having computers that have reached this advanced level of processing power we have today. Once this mighty computer is passed on to the common man, innovation begins to move in different paths again. Like a tree.

I dont know, this may have delved into a bit of a rant but that video made me extremely optimistic :)

Re: Peter Thiel on the Global Economy, Technology, Artificial Intelligence [video]

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> The average IQ is only 100 You do realize that's a tautology, right? There's no reason productivity couldn't be increased, and one potential method would be to boost human intelligence.

I believe the point is we (HN readers) are mostly exposed to smarter than average folks in our daily lives. Our idea of an "average" person probably is smarter than the true average person. And we would do well to remember that, for example, 42% of Americans believe ghosts are real.

you may be tooting your own horn there. its a trap to believe you and/or your community is "above average" in intelligence. the community on hacker news is more enculturated than most for a few things.

1. working with computers

2. selling technology

3. thinking about business in the medium term

4. calling ourselves very smart with little backing evidence for that claim

and besides that stuff I am not particularly impressed by the level of intelligence displayed here (including my own)

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