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I am a guest in this country. Irrespective of what I believe is right or unalienable it is not my place to insert myself into their politics.
Ever? I'm hesitant to invoke Godwin here, but do you agree that at least in boundary cases, it's morally permissible to directly force a change in the internal politics of another country?
The Great Firewall actually makes a lot of sense. Everyone thinks of themselves as being rational and unbiased - But in fact, we are all irrational, biased and at times hypocritical. Those people who think that they are rational and objective are usually the least rational and most hypocritical of all because they lack self-awareness. As westerners, as much as we like to pretend that we know the whole truth, in reali…
and how about even being unable to speak about how much of a womanizer (and thus a hypocrite) mao was because you fear for your life.
how would any of that make china vulnerable economically to the west? i mean they're already doing a good job of that themselves.
imagine if you couldn't make a joke about bill clinton, or had to worry about trump killing you if he was elected president. i would rather china get "influenced" by the west than continue going that route.
edit: how does limiting the information of your citizens allowing them to make rational decisions? it doesn't.
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China definitely has its problems but my point is that there are problems everywhere and we shouldn't single-out any specific country because we think that their problems are worse than ours (maybe they have the opposite opinion). The reality is that no one has the moral high ground; we are all competing for resources and relevance and every country is willing to resort to dirty tricks to get ahead. China has the Gre…
One is allowing free information while the other has the great firewall and random arrests for people writing negative comments about the party in power. Although the US is not as democratic as it should be your comparison is not even laughable. I find it hard that people can be so misled, or maybe you are just trolling. China has a brutal dictatorship that executes people for trying to get more power and were respon…
Censorship in China Allows Government Criticism but Silences Collective Expression
Contrary to previous understandings, posts with negative, even vitriolic, criticism of the state, its leaders, and its policies are not more likely to be censored. Instead, we show that the censorship program is aimed at curtailing collective action by silencing comments that represent, reinforce, or spur social mobilization, regardless of content.
Source: http://gking.harvard.edu/publications/how-censorship-china-a...
The Great Firewall actually makes a lot of sense. Everyone thinks of themselves as being rational and unbiased - But in fact, we are all irrational, biased and at times hypocritical. Those people who think that they are rational and objective are usually the least rational and most hypocritical of all because they lack self-awareness. As westerners, as much as we like to pretend that we know the whole truth, in reali…
> If China wasn't so protecive, they would have become economically dependent on the west (as opposed to being the powerhouse they are today).
You're claiming that China's economic growth and independence is because they censor their citizens?
China's firewall is largely constructed to create technology transfer towards China. This may be in the form of hindering sales for comapanies they may have interesting opportunities for investment, from sports shoes to embedded microchips, to financial products. It is also part of a much greater Golden Shield network. But a lot has changed over the past 5 years. A contrast of goals/objectives: the Golden Shield form…
> China's firewall is largely constructed to create technology transfer towards China. That's been a huge effect of the GFW, but is there material indicating it was the original purpose? My understanding was that much of the explosion in Chinese censorship tech happened as a way to prevent social media from gaining control over the news cycle. (i.e., when a train wreck occurs, the Party prefers stick-to-the-facts new…
>when a train wreck occurs, the Party prefers stick-to-the-facts news coverage over whose-to-blame social media mobs
combating whose-to-blame scaremongering isn't in the GFW's scope, as in regarding blocking foreign access, but is in the grey area with the rest of Golden Shield, such as requiring ICP licences in order to host a website. Today, however, Golden Shield is pretty mature, high-speed train-wrecks being covered by diggers is generally accepted as not OK, and most of the action happens on WeChat anyway with gov't ID papers issued to get a SIM, therefore a number, therefore a WeChat account.
A huge amount of fraud happens on WeChat, despite these paperwork needs.
> In April, the U.S. government officially classified
> it as a barrier to trade
I don't care much about what the Chinese do within their borders. The far more aggravating thing is that we tolerate China, choose to do business with Chinese companies and buy Chinese products.
Now that's fucked up, because we are trading our values, for which people freaking died to win, for short term convenience, also sending the message that it's OK as a country to violate basic human rights, as long as you're powerful enough. Money trumps everything, great thing to teach our kinds, kudos folks.
The Great Firewall actually makes a lot of sense. Everyone thinks of themselves as being rational and unbiased - But in fact, we are all irrational, biased and at times hypocritical. Those people who think that they are rational and objective are usually the least rational and most hypocritical of all because they lack self-awareness. As westerners, as much as we like to pretend that we know the whole truth, in reali…
To whom? Isolation won't do any good in the long run.
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Who is "China" who picks "their" version? The Chinese Communist Party, or the Chinese people? How would China become dependent on the West if Chinese people had access to non-CommunityParty ideas?
Chinese people would be consuming western media through Facebook, Twitter etc... Through this media, they would be shown advertisements for US companies selling US products. Soon enough, Chinese people would no longer be content with Chinese-made goods and services from small Chinese suppliers (e.g. through decentralized marketplaces like Alibaba) - Instead they would start buying US goods through centralized marketp…
What "US good" - all that stuff is made in China to begin with! Well, OK, not literally everything, but as interconnected as the global economy is, what you are proposing strikes me as pretty much nonsensical. China won't benefit from "protecting" itself from trading with the West.
The Great Firewall actually makes a lot of sense. Everyone thinks of themselves as being rational and unbiased - But in fact, we are all irrational, biased and at times hypocritical. Those people who think that they are rational and objective are usually the least rational and most hypocritical of all because they lack self-awareness. As westerners, as much as we like to pretend that we know the whole truth, in reali…
yeah man, good thing china is shielding its people from the history massacre at tiananmen square or the random killing of people who disagree with the government. and how about even being unable to speak about how much of a womanizer (and thus a hypocrite) mao was because you fear for your life. how would any of that make china vulnerable economically to the west? i mean they're already doing a good job of that thems…