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Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Because conveniently several of them are Google properties. If their sites weren't top 10, but top 20, then we would see the top 20 sites exempt.

Why would they build html5 versions of their properties and then serve flash versions to their html5 browser?

I believe this has more to do with supporting old browsers that don't have support for HTML5 video.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Google Finance still uses Flash: https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AGOOG I really wish they didn't leave it to rot.

So does Google Music, you need Chrome if you want to use it without Flash and even then it doesn't work immediately. http://googlesystem.blogspot.nl/2016/04/google-play-music-st...

Flash is only required when subscribed to Google Play Music All Access / Youtube Red, otherwise a free account can readily enable HTML5 audio in the options, which works in Chrome/Safari/Firefox (just tested again to be sure) and probably Edge also.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Netflix begs to differ.

Netflix can make its own app, outside the web.

One of the most attractive features of netflix is the ability stream movies on the browser. Why would we want to move that to a separate app?

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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What bugs me is that Google gave itself a pass by white-listing YouTube - because it turns out some people still need Flash on YouTube. Google should dog-food their own policies.

Likewise, Google penalizes webpages by size. A 3 megabyte page gets a larger penalty than a 1 megabyte, which has a larger penalty than a 1 kB page. But, they give themselves a free pass, as their own "webpage guidelines" page is 3.4 megabytes long! But, even worse, it has a video on a carousel that repeatedly downloads the video whenever it restarts the video loop.

How do you know they give their own web page a pass? It could be scored low and Google just doesn't care, or like all of us, has other priorities. The fact that Google recommends lightweight pages, and still builds heavy pages is contradicting, but doesn't mean they've built in some sort of "whitelist" for their own sites.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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I started to watch a lot of youtube videos recently, but it doesnt seem all of them require EME. Am I wrong? Because it seems I can download them fine with a firefox addon, except a very few of them for obvious copyright reasons. I also rarely see song videos that cannot be downloaded from mp3 conversion websites. No idea if those websites are legal or not.

Anyway, on one side you have youtube advertising and adblockers, on the other side they want to force people to stay online and not use the content offline, but they can't have all of them not block ads.

I really wonder about the real cost of hosting youtube videos, and the money they make from ads on youtube. I think there is a huge loss there. Youtube RED might solve this.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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>DRM has never been important for online video workflow Yes it has. Always.

No it hasn't. It's just been a demand from media execs that distribution networks are forced to implement. Netflix is competing with free and winning -- they've created something that's actually more convenient than piracy. I can already download everything on Netflix from my friendly local piracy site, but I don't because the eight bucks a month is worth less than the time I would waste pirating it. Hell, Netflix co…

Meh. Netflix would not affect piracy because their offer is very small. Netflix is good if you're an American and not very into movies. As soon as you are looking for something outside the "very mainstream" you're out of luck.

Your "I can already download everything on Netflix from my friendly local piracy site" works, but the other way around doesn't. I've been a Netflix user for years, but I'm on the verge of unsubscribing, because I realized that since January I've only watched House of Cards.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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> DRM is a hugely important part of the online video workflow and HTML5 offers a very useful tool with Encrypted Media Extensions. DRM has never been important for online video workflow and it's only useful in the way a walled garden is useful... it will require that each pair of browser-website (with EME) negotiate before allowing it, basically making it impossible for smaller browsers to become useful at all

>DRM has never been important for online video workflow Yes it has. Always.

DRM is important to online video in the same sense that a wrecked fuel tanker on the highway is important to your morning commute.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Likewise, Google penalizes webpages by size. A 3 megabyte page gets a larger penalty than a 1 megabyte, which has a larger penalty than a 1 kB page. But, they give themselves a free pass, as their own "webpage guidelines" page is 3.4 megabytes long! But, even worse, it has a video on a carousel that repeatedly downloads the video whenever it restarts the video loop.

How do you know they give their own web page a pass? It could be scored low and Google just doesn't care, or like all of us, has other priorities. The fact that Google recommends lightweight pages, and still builds heavy pages is contradicting, but doesn't mean they've built in some sort of "whitelist" for their own sites.

How about, "Google doesn't do what it makes others do"

which is true whether they give a boost to themselves or not.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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EME is a huge advantage from a security perspective because it avoids pulling in a massive platform (Flash, Silverlight) just to play video. We can debate other aspects but from a security perspective moving to a small, tightly-scoped module is a big win and that's important when the cost of vulnerabilities is in the billions per year. It's also somewhat good for the web since both of those platforms are competitors…

> EME is a huge advantage from a security perspective because it avoids pulling in a massive platform (Flash, Silverlight) just to play video. You don't need EME "just to play video". HTML5-video without EME can do that just fine. It is only when you conflate video playback with DRM then that argument somewhat works.

But the vast majority of video watched today (think Netflix) would not be on the web if it were not DRMed.

Philosophical arguments about what "video" "needs" are all very well, but the side that actually provides users with the content they want where they want it will be the side that wins, and very quickly.

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