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Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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post #55

> DRM is a hugely important part of the online video workflow and HTML5 offers a very useful tool with Encrypted Media Extensions. DRM has never been important for online video workflow and it's only useful in the way a walled garden is useful... it will require that each pair of browser-website (with EME) negotiate before allowing it, basically making it impossible for smaller browsers to become useful at all

Netflix begs to differ.

workflow or delivery?

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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post #60

well, good riddance to flash, but Encrypted Media Extensions are definitly not an advantage, see for example https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/save-firefox

EME is a huge advantage from a security perspective because it avoids pulling in a massive platform (Flash, Silverlight) just to play video. We can debate other aspects but from a security perspective moving to a small, tightly-scoped module is a big win and that's important when the cost of vulnerabilities is in the billions per year. It's also somewhat good for the web since both of those platforms are competitors…

Leaving aside the ethical stuff what worries me most about EME is that it'll break my linux usage at as a desktop, with a few exceptions I currently have a web experience equal to (or better) than anything on Windows or MacOSX, binary blobs that may never make it to Linux are a concern.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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post #60

well, good riddance to flash, but Encrypted Media Extensions are definitly not an advantage, see for example https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/save-firefox

EME is a huge advantage from a security perspective because it avoids pulling in a massive platform (Flash, Silverlight) just to play video. We can debate other aspects but from a security perspective moving to a small, tightly-scoped module is a big win and that's important when the cost of vulnerabilities is in the billions per year. It's also somewhat good for the web since both of those platforms are competitors…

> EME is a huge advantage from a security perspective because it avoids pulling in a massive platform (Flash, Silverlight) just to play video.

You don't need EME "just to play video". HTML5-video without EME can do that just fine.

It is only when you conflate video playback with DRM then that argument somewhat works.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

#75

Getting really frustrated with all the things chrome is starting to change. We are starting to become a bunch of sheep, if google wants something, they announce it, and implement it, we developers, users have to fall in line and start doing everything they want. What the hell is going on, why are we not pissed off about this. Look I hate Flash as much as the other guy, but blocking an extention just because a company…

> How long before we see adblockers [...] and basically anything that a company like google will see as a threat get blocked.

They're already blocked on Android Chrome browser.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

#76

Getting really frustrated with all the things chrome is starting to change. We are starting to become a bunch of sheep, if google wants something, they announce it, and implement it, we developers, users have to fall in line and start doing everything they want. What the hell is going on, why are we not pissed off about this. Look I hate Flash as much as the other guy, but blocking an extention just because a company…

And this is why I use firefox

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

#77

Google Finance still uses Flash: https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AGOOG I really wish they didn't leave it to rot.

So does Google Music, you need Chrome if you want to use it without Flash and even then it doesn't work immediately.

http://googlesystem.blogspot.nl/2016/04/google-play-music-st...

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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What bugs me is that Google gave itself a pass by white-listing YouTube - because it turns out some people still need Flash on YouTube. Google should dog-food their own policies.

Likewise, Google penalizes webpages by size. A 3 megabyte page gets a larger penalty than a 1 megabyte, which has a larger penalty than a 1 kB page.

But, they give themselves a free pass, as their own "webpage guidelines" page is 3.4 megabytes long! But, even worse, it has a video on a carousel that repeatedly downloads the video whenever it restarts the video loop.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

#79

What bugs me is that Google gave itself a pass by white-listing YouTube - because it turns out some people still need Flash on YouTube. Google should dog-food their own policies.

Are there parts of YouTube that require Flash in Chrome other than legacy embeds on non-YouTube sites that enable the embedding page to script the Flash embed via a JS API?

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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post #76

Getting really frustrated with all the things chrome is starting to change. We are starting to become a bunch of sheep, if google wants something, they announce it, and implement it, we developers, users have to fall in line and start doing everything they want. What the hell is going on, why are we not pissed off about this. Look I hate Flash as much as the other guy, but blocking an extention just because a company…

And this is why I use firefox

I use Chrome for my flash garbage. Its much better than taking my current browsers resources and bogging it down
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