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Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Post by fixermark »

dingaling wrote: post #28
BugsBunnySan wrote: post #16

well, good riddance to flash, but Encrypted Media Extensions are definitly not an advantage, see for example https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/save-firefox

> but Encrypted Media Extensions are definitly not an advantage Yes, it is dishonest of Google to keep referring to 'the Open Web' when 'HTML5 video' is heading towards being simply an enabler for other proprietary plug-ins. The Open Web of binary blobs.

"Open Web" includes online commerce. It's still open even though people use HTTPS-encrypted data streams, for example.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Post by Spivak »

macspoofing wrote: post #66
franciscop wrote: post #17

> DRM is a hugely important part of the online video workflow and HTML5 offers a very useful tool with Encrypted Media Extensions. DRM has never been important for online video workflow and it's only useful in the way a walled garden is useful... it will require that each pair of browser-website (with EME) negotiate before allowing it, basically making it impossible for smaller browsers to become useful at all

>DRM has never been important for online video workflow Yes it has. Always.

No it hasn't. It's just been a demand from media execs that distribution networks are forced to implement.

Netflix is competing with free and winning -- they've created something that's actually more convenient than piracy. I can already download everything on Netflix from my friendly local piracy site, but I don't because the eight bucks a month is worth less than the time I would waste pirating it.

Hell, Netflix could put a download button next to all their content and I bet it wouldn't affect piracy. The value isn't in the content but the distribution network that's so good even pirates can't compete with it.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Post by eonw »

nacs wrote: post #111
puddintane wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

which is a bit surprising considering how quick a company the size of Google could whip up a more modern approach to this!

> a company the size of Google could whip up a more modern approach to this! Maybe Google should look into .. Google Charts? https://developers.google.com/chart/

which i use in a lot of projects that need simple charting. i really don't know why google doesn't dogfood this product more, its a great, simple, easy to use charting system.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Post by tveita »

bduerst wrote: post #106
izacus wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With what? EME is a "cure" for a problem you shouldn't have in the first place. Idiotic technology to do nothing useful and solve no problems to make some content company executives feel better about their liability. EME does abosolutely nothing to prevent piracy and only serves as another roadblock for people to jump before seeing videos.

Bad actors exist, hence the technology does something useful. Piracy [probably] isn't a problem for you, but if you think it isn't a problem at all, then you should read this: http://www.greenheartgames.com/2013/04/29/what-happens-when-...

We are talking about online video, where DRM is astoundingly ineffective. Any release is almost immediately available to download.

Whether or not piracy is a problem is immaterial to the importance of DRM if DRM has no effect on piracy.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Post by fixermark »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #34
PretzelFisch wrote: post #22

I don't care so much about video, but audio. I can't find a site that streams audio with out flash. This is how this change will affect me.

What happens to all those kids sites that have flash games? Our school lets the kids play cartoonnetwork (and tons of others) games.

Those sites will likely adapt or go obsolete.

There are game engines now that can compile to a pure HTML / css/ Javascript runtime.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Post by rm_-rf_slash »

Spivak wrote: post #132
macspoofing wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>DRM has never been important for online video workflow Yes it has. Always.

No it hasn't. It's just been a demand from media execs that distribution networks are forced to implement. Netflix is competing with free and winning -- they've created something that's actually more convenient than piracy. I can already download everything on Netflix from my friendly local piracy site, but I don't because the eight bucks a month is worth less than the time I would waste pirating it. Hell, Netflix co…

Absolutely. The only case where (I prefer to call it "morally ambiguous streaming") wins is in series with ongoing seasons. But Netflix is so fast and convenient, I usually end up waiting for it to appear on Netflix, or rewatching it there.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Post by jonknee »

mikeryan wrote: post #83
ramy_d wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did a cursory search out of curiosity: TV has a 7 second delay they add themselves to filter content. The broadcast itself is pretty much instant. It's impressive.

Depends on Delivery mechanism as well. Interestingly if you put a TV using cable next to a TV using satellite the satellite TV will trail cable by 2-3 seconds sometimes just from the amount of time to bounce the signal off of satellites.

The actual round trip time to the satellite and back is about a quarter second.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Post by fixermark »

yaur wrote: post #73

While the focus is rightly on video, there are a huge number of games written in flash. In the short term this s probably a hug boost for unity... But as flash dies there will be a lot of games that die with it.

Unity is itself a proprietary, single-vendor, closed-source plugin.

Though I don't disagree at all, transitioning from one proprietary, single-vendor, closed-source plugin to another isn't actually going to solve the problems that killing Flash is supposed to solve (apart from the one where Flash is also a gigantic legacy-code monument to all our sins, of course ;) ).

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Post by wjoe »

tudorw wrote: post #4
cmdrfred wrote: post #2

Why are the top ten sites exempt?

Because the internet is no longer fair :( Things are breaking, I cannot get a mail server set up to send mail to microsoft owned properties, no bounce message just a void, I'm 10/10 on mail-test .com, DMARC, SPF, PTR, no RBL, just m$ don't want me to send email to their users, a private RBL maybe, I cannot know because they don't reply to communications regarding it, nothing to do with this point, except it's asympto…

They do maintain their own blacklist, which doesn't seem to be listed on any of the public monitors. When I had this issue it did give a helpful bounce message:

Client host blocked using FBLW15; To request removal from this list please forward this message to delist@messaging.microsoft.com (in reply to RCPT TO command)

I did as it said and forwarded the message to that address, and got an automated reply and my IP removed a few days later.

Maybe your situation is different since you're not getting a bounce message, but try emailing that address if you haven't already.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Post by eonw »

shmerl wrote: post #110
nacs wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Youtube, do they simply run their own CDN Yes, the Google CDN (Google owns Youtube).

So why don't other CDNs support DASH?

until it is widely used and supported, there is a big cost to adding features to a CDN. the means dont justify the ends.
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