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Re: Google Home

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You're right. When I got the Nest products I assumed Google would foster integration with them. If I can't raise my Nest thermometer by voice with this then that'll be Google training me once again to not invest in their platforms.

You know that you can already do this right? https://nest.com/support/article/How-do-Google-voice-actions...

I didn't know that. Thanks for the link!

Re: Google Home

#272

Ok, controversial opinion: "[...] and manage everyday tasks" What exactly do we want to automate at home? I think this whole home automation and smart home stuff is complete bullshit. Obviously there are some nice things, like "play me song xyz", but IMHO it is completely oversold. There are just not that much things to automate at home. And this does not mean that I think 640K are enough memory for everyone.

* add $thing to the grocery list * order more $thing * schedule an appointment with (doctor|vet|dentist) * start the dishwasher at 4 P.M. * turn on the oven when I get home etc. Just because you can't think of how it will benefit you doesn't mean it's bullshit.

Yeah, bullshit was a hard term, I am sorry, but I just can not see how these things require a specific "home" device;

- grocery list:

So some kind of Todo list. But you can do that with your mobile computation device, or just take notes physically?

- order $thing:

I do not think that humans need more convenient buying-experiences than what is already there (think Amazon, food-delivery services, etc.). I guess most people want to _see_ what they pay for and look up specific apps?

- doctor schedules:

The scheduling problem. Maybe I am out of touch, but I would write an e-mail and/or call?

- dish washer cron:

Ok, I do not get that? Why would you want to schedule a dish washer job for a specific time?

- turn on the oven:

Yeah, but there is surely a UI for the oven, that has the functionality to turn on the oven (seems like a core feature). If it's really oldschool, it has a button that one may press (or a slider). That may seem inconvenient, so it may have a web-ui. However there is NO reason whatsoever why it should be connected to the "cloud".

Re: Google Home

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That doesn't mean that they don't collect that information, however. They collect it, and then they use it to target ads at you. A simple, plausible way this might invade your privacy in a meaningful way is that your home conversations will start being factored into the ads that your shown. Knowing this about Google, I can infer based on the ads shown to you, to some extent, what you are talking about in private. Gra…

How do you know what ads are being shown to me?

If I am using your device momentarily or simply looking over your shoulder. Of course, this is already a security breach, but you wouldn't expect it to breach the security of private conversations you've had in your home, was my point.

Re: Google Home

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I have only two wishes: > Please, please, please be a completely open, extensible platform... That's one. The second one is, please make it self-hosted. No cloud bullshit. I know I'll probably never live to see the second one coming true.

> please make it self-hosted I rather suspect that the knowledge graph it uses is a rather hefty dataset. Probably not suitable for a home installation. And how would you keep it up-to-date without the cloud? Would you have it scrape websites and consume feeds itself?

Knowledge graph could be a separate service. It handles only a subset of requests anyway; no reason for the request itself not to make a "pit stop" under my control before it is sent to fetch data. You could also use more than one provider of a knowledge graph in this case.

The more important aspect of it is fixing the problems with said knowledge graph. For instance, Google doesn't have the data on the public transportation in my city. I could easily write a scrapper that would fetch me the bus/tram timetables - but there's no way to integrate that source of data with Google Now. It's one example, but in practice Google's knowledge graph is pretty much useless for me. At best, it can answer me some trivia questions sometimes.

Re: Google Home

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post #77

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That doesn't mean that they don't collect that information, however. They collect it, and then they use it to target ads at you. A simple, plausible way this might invade your privacy in a meaningful way is that your home conversations will start being factored into the ads that your shown. Knowing this about Google, I can infer based on the ads shown to you, to some extent, what you are talking about in private. Gra…

I don't understand this. Every company collects personal information. How do you think itunes delivers recommendations to get you to buy more music you like ? Yes just about every single company you use is collecting information on you and using it some way that benefits them.

Ya, I realize that. I wasn't taking a position on it morally. I was just pointing out that just because they don't sell the information as such doesn't mean that they don't leak the information via side channels.

Re: Google Home

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That's why I think an open source distributed & end to end encrypted social platform to replace facebook and google plus is needed too.

The issue isn't creating such a platform, it has been done. The issue is getting others to use it. That has not been done.

We've all been using one since the 80s: email. The interface is just poorly designed for social networking.

Re: Google Home

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Please, please, please be a completely open, extensible platform... I want to be able to control my Apple TV with my Google Home device. I want to be able to control my Phillips Hue and LiFX bulbs. I want to be able to build my own custom home automation server endpoints and point my Google Home commands at them. I want to be able to remote start my car with a voice command. I want to be able to control my Harmony re…

There is a fully open source voice-controlled platform: Jasper https://jasperproject.github.io/

Re: Google Home

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When I was younger, I dreamed of something like this. Voice control for my home! A Star Trek computer that I can interact with conversationally! I just say what I want and it happens! Now, I just see an internet-connected microphone in a software black box which I can only interpret as a giant frickin' security liability. I want this, but unless it's open source top-to-bottom, I won't ever actually put one in my home…

There is an open source alternative to Google Home: Jasper (https://jasperproject.github.io)

Re: Google Home

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I came here to ask people of examples of use cases because I just can not see how this can be useful in this decade.

I mean, all the turn-key stuff is terrible right now, but I've seen some awesome DIY stuff with Homeseer + IFTTT + bash scripts. My friend's house turns on the front porch light when he gets home, auto-locks the front door if unlocked for more than X minutes, alerts of outside doors that have been open for more than X seconds, dims the lights when he turns on the TV, alerts him when his wife is almost home (she hates…

That is funny.

So the motive of your friend is security for himself and surveillance of his wife.

The motive of cloud home automation stuff (e.g. Homeseer) is surveillance of its customers, e.g. your friend.

It is like turtles all the way down.

Re: Google Home

#280

Please, please, please be a completely open, extensible platform... I want to be able to control my Apple TV with my Google Home device. I want to be able to control my Phillips Hue and LiFX bulbs. I want to be able to build my own custom home automation server endpoints and point my Google Home commands at them. I want to be able to remote start my car with a voice command. I want to be able to control my Harmony re…

The Corporate Integrations Committee will consider these feature request for a future release.
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