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Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Growth hacking at large. Impressive :)

No, it's not impressive. It's deceptive and a dark pattern.

Google is certainly not blameless here. If they had banned partners who's installers violated a reasonable set of terms, e.g. opt in instead of opt out, this would not be an issue. They would have gotten free installs until the bad installer was fixed and verified ;)

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Adobe is guilty of this. If you download Flash Player from their site, the "Optional offers" are to also install Chrome and Google Toolbar. Both of which are checked by default.

you're thinking google did not pay adobe for this, adobe is doing this just cuz they like it? are you mad

Adobe can do as they please. This is corporate America....of course there is money involved :)

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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What does Chrome sync offer that Firefox sync lacks? FF syncs to the mobile version quite reliably for me (though, it does not sync to mobile Chrome if that is the feature that's lacking).

I've been syncing basically the same profile for 6 years now. FF lacked that at the beginning. The Android FF app is also unusable since it doesn't support bookmark folders when using sync, which I don't even want to know what would do to my bookmarks across devices.

Firefox correctly syncs bookmark folders on both iOS and Android. Always has, as far as I can remember. What they doesn't support is putting your mobile bookmarks into folders on your mobile device; anything you bookmark on mobile lands in a "Mobile Bookmarks" folder. You have to either use tags or organize them using the desktop browser.

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Chrome also had the advantage of being advertised on Google.com.

Reminds me of the Microsoft OEM deals and IE. Shows just how much like their opponent Google really is. :)

Microsoft's only interest in IE was to protect the Windows monopoly by suffocating Netscape and its Java Applets.

And they told OEMs they wouldn't sell them Windows at all if they preinstalled Netscape or uninstalled IE.

Which is why they got sued by the government and lost the trial.

Kind of different if you ask me.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Interesting. I didn't see that - I assumed it was just a result of advertising it to everyone who searched on Google. Do you have any specific examples?

Adobe Flash - When you download and installed Flash for Opera or Firefox, it would trick you into installing Chrome as your default browser unless you noticed and unchecked a box: http://i.imgur.com/Uldw6X3.png Java - When updating, Java on Windows would often trick you into installing Chrome as your default browser unless you noticed and unchecked a box Avast, AntiVir, etc - Nearly every free antivirus on Windows wa…

This seems like a big argument for centralized repos like Ubuntu's/Debian's Apt-get or the Apple app store.

I was never aware this was even a problem because all my software came in through one or two trusted sources.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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For me, it's all about the details, and I just can't come back to Firefox for silly reasons, even if I appreciate their stance on privacy. The tabs shape is repulsing me, I know that's a strong feeling and I can't explain it. The disymetrical back and forward buttons bothers me as well. I can't find how to whitelist domains accepting cookies in Firefox. Switching profiles is much easier with chrome. I'm used to chrom…

The Dev Edition has a different tab shape. You can deny cookies by default and then add exceptions in the cookie manager.

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anywhere i go without an adblocker begs me to install chrome and stop using whatever horrible outdated browser im using (according to the google ad), and how youtube, etc work best with chrome anyway thats quite a lot of powerful advertisement, on the sites people browse every day. its not too different than being part of the default install IMO ;-) and of course - chrome is a pretty good browser (though edge is actu…

And the thing is it's sadly not a lie. YouTube and such do work best with Chrome. Google's effective web vertical integration means they control every stage of the pipeline. They control the sites and the browser. They can deploy experimental tech in Chrome which nobody knows about and which only Google sites use. It's terrifying.

One example of "google only APIs" that I ran into recently is the chrome extension browserAction.openPopup API. This API is whitelisted (in stable) for use by the Google Cast extension. Extensions authored outside of Google cannot use it. This is creates an uneven playing field.

https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=436489

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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Can you elaborate on this? I've tried Chromium once and again, but always fall back to Firefox as it feels better to me. Direct reasons are the address bar functionality and better privacy support out of the box, but also some generic feel is somehow just more familiar to me. Firefox does have global freezes on particularly heavy pages due to the single process model. It's rare enough not to bother me much though. As…

Multi-process is being tested in Firefox Beta right now, according to https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis#Schedule .

Anecdotally, e10s has made me go back to Firefox.

Re: Firefox tops Microsoft browser market share for first time

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> This has to be worrisome to the Chrome team. Looking at the data, not really. Their usage continues to grow, Firefox growth is at the expense of IE/Edge, not Chrome.

Yes, Chrome is the current 800lbs gorilla, and they continue to grow. I am still operating under a browser wars mentality where Netscape/Mozilla's marketshare completely collapsed and they slowly recovered over time. I'm just impressed that Firefox is in double digits in terms of marketshare given that they don't have a huge marketing engine driving them (Okay, I guess Yahoo is pretty decent as engines go.) I remembe…

Does the Chrome team really care?

Ads in Firefox provide the same revenue as ads in Chrome. What does Google gain by monopolizing?

I think they care more about internet explorer, they don't want it dead specifically, but if it sticks around they want it reliable. Using ie used to be a giant pain and nothing worked right, people would use it to accomplish their goal and be done. Now using any of the three is fairly pleasant and people on any browser could reasonably view many ads.

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Every time I try to switch to Firefox, it just doesn't work as well, and I switch back. I'd rather Firefox over Chrome for philosophical reasons, but I feel like Firefox just isn't there technologically. It's getting better, but they really let it stagnate back in the day.

Can you elaborate on this? I've tried Chromium once and again, but always fall back to Firefox as it feels better to me. Direct reasons are the address bar functionality and better privacy support out of the box, but also some generic feel is somehow just more familiar to me. Firefox does have global freezes on particularly heavy pages due to the single process model. It's rare enough not to bother me much though. As…

For me Firefox UI feels... well, sluggish. Not sure why.

OTOH I happily use Firefox Android.

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