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Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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3 years of study ?? What!? That's insane, you do not need 3 years of study to enter this industry. At that point, I may as well go and get a Computer Science degree at a local college and at least have a legitimate degree.

Would it be tuition free ?

Can you afford to take 3 years off? Tuition at a community college is pennies compared to living expenses for 3 years.

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So I am to strive to become a "very valuable asset for any company" ... I guess dehumanization is bad only when it is done by noncorporation people. Also - can we stop with teaching to code already. Assume instead of literacy and writing in schools we thought people how to flip pages on books with green covers. Or we were teaching people how to multiply only by 8. Without the broader body of IT literacy, coding is no…

Coding is a pathway to IT literacy. Complaining about teaching code is analogous to complaining about teaching how to write.

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So I am to strive to become a "very valuable asset for any company" ... I guess dehumanization is bad only when it is done by noncorporation people. Also - can we stop with teaching to code already. Assume instead of literacy and writing in schools we thought people how to flip pages on books with green covers. Or we were teaching people how to multiply only by 8. Without the broader body of IT literacy, coding is no…

It is not only teaching development, it's teaching UNIX, 3d, Security and much more [0]. In fact, the most important thing it's teaching is to learn by yourself. Most people just don't know how to learn without a teacher and that's the best skill you can learn if you wish to work in the industry. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42_(school)#Academics

That is surprising. But it seems that the talking heads in the video have not gotten that memo. Come to us to make 3d games, AI and viruses would have been a killer slogan. And instant differentiation from all the others.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

3 years of study ?? What!? That's insane, you do not need 3 years of study to enter this industry. At that point, I may as well go and get a Computer Science degree at a local college and at least have a legitimate degree.

Would it be tuition free ?

The opportunity cost of not working for three years is huge, maybe more than the tuition at a non-top end university.

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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So Xavier Niel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xavier_Niel French entrepreneur, do not own any US interest) is committing millions from his personal fortune to open a FREE school to teach programming and computer science in the US to student regardless of their academic background and commenters critics the initiative because the school have an age limit.

I really love 42, and I'm happy that they open a new school in US. Their curriculum is great and previous iteration have give us technical talents like the docker team.

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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What is the reason for having the age restriction of 30? Does it not implicitly contribute to the existing ageism issue in tech industry. Why can't a professional working in another industry learn something new at the age of 35 or a mother who wants to come back to the workforce after her kids start going to school?

i expect it would be illegal in the US. no sure since its private.

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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So I am to strive to become a "very valuable asset for any company" ... I guess dehumanization is bad only when it is done by noncorporation people. Also - can we stop with teaching to code already. Assume instead of literacy and writing in schools we thought people how to flip pages on books with green covers. Or we were teaching people how to multiply only by 8. Without the broader body of IT literacy, coding is no…

Coding is a pathway to IT literacy. Complaining about teaching code is analogous to complaining about teaching how to write.

It is not a pathway - it is a side effect of it. Most self taught geeks have started from "wanting to do something" and "make a computer program to do it" as the solution. It is a nice skill, but I would never code something until I have exhausted the other (lazier) possibilities.

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What is the reason for having the age restriction of 30? Does it not implicitly contribute to the existing ageism issue in tech industry. Why can't a professional working in another industry learn something new at the age of 35 or a mother who wants to come back to the workforce after her kids start going to school?

Here is all what the director seems to have said about the age limit (that is the same in the French school): "I noticed in the past that we should not encourage too much age difference because it's harder then to form groups that work." ( http://www.clubic.com/pro/emploi-informatique.clubic.com/act... ) "42 indeed focuses first on the 18-30. We think about other people with care, but we already initially have much t…

Regarding this statement -

"I noticed in the past that we should not encourage too much age difference because it's harder then to form groups that work."

Shouldn't a startup founder be then allowed to reject any 30+ candidate with the same reasoning if their company already has a bunch of 25 year olds? Can't you detect the blatant age bias in this statement?

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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I'd love to signup to 42, specially after E.E. to become a soft. Eng. In fact I've been looking something like this (an internship or codecamp) that will accept someone from abroad. But as always, the need for the in-person signup and test it's what deters me.

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What is the reason for having the age restriction of 30? Does it not implicitly contribute to the existing ageism issue in tech industry. Why can't a professional working in another industry learn something new at the age of 35 or a mother who wants to come back to the workforce after her kids start going to school?

i expect it would be illegal in the US. no sure since its private.

As a loose comparison, the Rhodes Scholarship has an age restriction of 18 to 24 and I'm not aware of any legal challenge to it.

http://www.rhodesscholar.org/applying-for-the-scholarship/

When it comes to providing a gift of free education via scholarships or unpaid teaching, it seems like the donor can attach any criteria he/she wants. E.g. A billionaire wants to provide scholarships to females aged 20 to 25 that can run a mile in less than 6 minutes. Even with those restrictive conditions set, it seems like the philanthropist is immune from lawsuits filed by males and handicapped people claiming discrimination.

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