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#101
post #28

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What's the tech scene in New Zealand like? How are things there going compared to Australia?

NZ badly needs a tech scene. It has not produced anything of note like Atlassian in Australia. But the lifestyle is great. Only two time zones from the Australian east coast.

I checked both AUS & NZ and despite the fact I can get in there through the company I work for, it does not seem easy or 'we need all the skilled people we can get'. The process seems not very easy in either country. I will live in AUS probably starting next year to manage the tech side from there and I will definitely check out NZ and maybe skip to there if possible as, for some reason (never been) it attracts me more. That said; I often need to go to China which is easy from AUS; I did not check how it is from NZ.

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#102
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i got arrested, jailed and beaten by police after calling them to help me with a car accident resolution. 4 month and $15000 spent on lawyers later they are still trying to frame me although by now all blood results show that i wasn't under the influence. and the beating, they claim it never happened and are not releasing the surveillance video of the beating. and it happened in my community into which i pay over $10…

Your fist mistake is expecting anyone in America to care about your suffering. Your second mistake is not realizing that the cops don't give a shit about your money or your color once they've targeted you. Yes, they certainly do prefer to target individuals of color because that's been their primary objective in this country for its entire existence and before it was even founded as a country. But make no mistake abo…

Your fist mistake is expecting anyone in America to care about your suffering.

There you are wrong, starting with e.g. reporter Radley Blako and his readers, and extending to large swaths of the white or thereabouts population who buy books like Arrest-Proof Yourself (http://www.amazon.com/Arrest-Proof-Yourself-Dale-C-Carson/dp...) This was reified for me in ~2008 when a local cop played a game of chicken with his car and my body.

Some of it is that the author lives in Santa Clara County, California as mentioned in another comment. Citizens in Bay Area counties are allowed to own (some types of) guns, but by and large not to carry them, and that appears to help the Badge Gang feel they can treat nearly the entire populace as their playthings.

Take that too far in my part of the country, a combo of Greater Appalachia and the cultural South, and the calculus changes rather a lot. And in my county, when I last renewed my concealed carry permit, 5% of the age eligible population had one, and gun ownership is not quite ubiquitous, but extremely common and steadily increasing. And many of the cops are on our side; can you imagine a Santa Clara County law enforcement public affairs type confirming that a woman had an "absolute right" to use lethal force against some home invaders?

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#103
post #94

i got arrested, jailed and beaten by police after calling them to help me with a car accident resolution. 4 month and $15000 spent on lawyers later they are still trying to frame me although by now all blood results show that i wasn't under the influence. and the beating, they claim it never happened and are not releasing the surveillance video of the beating. and it happened in my community into which i pay over $10…

Your fist mistake is expecting anyone in America to care about your suffering. Your second mistake is not realizing that the cops don't give a shit about your money or your color once they've targeted you. Yes, they certainly do prefer to target individuals of color because that's been their primary objective in this country for its entire existence and before it was even founded as a country. But make no mistake abo…

While most everything you say is true, that is a terrible attitude. Becoming a negative, hate-filled cynic is the easy way to mentally cope with the situation, but it doesn’t help and actually only makes it worse by accepting it. Acknowledging these things as true but still expecting people to behave like civilized people, and speaking out when they don’t, is much harder, but it needs to be done if anything is to improve.

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#104

Wow, I am really looking forward to finding g out more about this. What agency were they with? How often do they do this? Was it random or targeted, and if the latter at the person or device? Side note - he wasn't arrested, he was handcuffed, had a weapon stuck in his back, was detained, had an illegal search performed on his possessions, and all by purported law enforcement officers who refused to identify themselve…

I'm not so sure he wasn't arrested, legally speaking. If he had resisted I certainly suspect he'd have been charged with resisting arrest. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/arrest

I've been arrested under similar (in other words completely unfounded) conditions. After a few hours in a holding cell they just handed me a form and drove me back home. I wish I remembered the name of the form but it essentially nullified the arrest as if none had taken place.

However from what I've read on this story it sounds as though the young man was simply detained pursuant to an investigation (or at least that would be the official story).

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#105
post #59

So the subtext here is that the cops are racist, right? How would the police know the seller of the Macbook was black from the Craigslist post? How did her son know it was a weapon pressed against his back? How could the handcuffs possibly have cut his wrists? Handcuffs don't have, like, blades on them that just cut you as they're hanging off your wrists. Seems like something added to punch-up the narrative. And then…

I used to have a healthy sense of "surely we have gotten over that racism stuff"... when I was a teenager.

You can't know it is a weapon. It is on your back. I've never been handcuffed, but they can hurt.

I have, however, been surrounded by cops taking folks home. Some friends of the dude I was dating, and we happen to have different skin colors. 4-5 cop cars, lights, drug dogs in a small public housing parking lot. I start getting questioned about drugs, and expected me to know a lot about my passengers. "People have been doing crack here, and we've found out white people are doing it too". I was let go, and to this day I hope those dudes were ok.

I've been pulled over for swerving after a lane change. Dude said we were drunk, even after we passed the breath test. It was late, we were driving around talking, but happened to be in a mostly poor, african-american part of town and we weren't. Her baby was mixed, though. It worked, we called it a night simply because of harassment.

Had guns out once with lots of cops. I'm still not sure what I did wrong. The park closed at 11, but since it was getting dark a parks department employee asked us to leave (but not the other people). Down the road we were surrounded, guns out.

The point is that there are a LOT of these sorts of stories, and it has taken a few killing with news coverage for them to finally - 20, 30, 40 years later - for anyone to start doing anything about them.

I was lucky enough to get out of my fear of the police because I've since moved. Racism exists everywhere, but not everywhere will tolerate it from their police department. When I'm out walking home at 2am here, I'm no longer afraid of the police. I won't even get stopped asking what I'm doing out, why i'm in a neighborhood, etc. So long as I'm just walking along, everything is good... and i'm in a city of 180k people.

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#106
post #87

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By what definition is this an "isolated" act? And why do you think a death by earthquake is more likely? I don't think the data supports that.

I think the point was, simply, that it's very unlikely. Maybe they should've compared it to being killed in a car accident.

Well, you're much more likely to be killed in a car accident wherever you live, and I don't have reason to believe that risk is particularly different in Canada or Australia. It's the delta between countries that matters, and from what I've read (mostly about Canada) I think by most metrics you are more likely to be killed by a cop in the States. We have a heavily armed and militarized police force here, and they have an awful relationship with many communities here. I'm sure there are parallels in Canada and Australia but certainly the popular perception is that the magnitude of the problem is larger here.

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#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jaded guess; still in the guise of the 'buyer' they asked if they could look through the machine. He gave verbal consent at which point they started the search / threat / handcuffing.

They still need to identify themselves as the police. What they displayed is mob behavior; armed people threatening and going through a person's possessions.

There's no need for an undercover officer to identify themselves as such. They're free to lie and manipulate (to an extent). It would kind of defeat the purpose otherwise.

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#109
post #42

This whole thing seems a little fishy. It supposedly happened on Friday and the only news article I could find about it didn't have any independent verification.

Yes. Cuffs "cut his hands". They apparently sold the laptop with the evidence. Gun "in his back".I hate cops more than these geeks but even I can figure out BS. The "buyer" blamed it on the police but sounds like he wasn't a cop? Why? ycombinator is a sharpish crowd but they tend to not underestimate how many random liars there are. Thats why this account has a -1 score.

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#110
post #62

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On the other hand, Japan's justice system has a 99% conviction rate. That doesn't happen without blatant, systemic corruption. I'd rather deal with cops who might shoot me than cops who will definitely get a confession out of me if they want one.

No, they only try cases they can win.

They also get to basically torture you for 22 days without charges.
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