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The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

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Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

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I've always thought it was odd that ignorance of the law is no excuse for civilians breaking it, but is an excuse for police breaking it.

Heien vs. North Carolina

links are always better than not links for stuff like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heien_v._North_Carolina

A terrible decision

Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

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An anecdot: when I lived in Manhattan in 2001, I parked near 61st and 1st, between two differing parking signs. I was clearly very close to one, and much further from another, by at least 50 yards. I got a ticket for illegal parking according to the further sign. Being a broke ex-dot-commer, I was furious, so I photographed and measured everything, and put together a seven page report. After a long while, I got a res…

I once parked in a free spot and got a ticket with the attendant claiming it was a disabled space. There were no markings or signs so I complained. They told me to get lost and painted a picture of a man in a wheelchair on the spot the week after. This was not in the US, btw. Bloody bureaucrats.

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And I respectfully disagree with you. Money has been taken from citizens by the authorities in an unlawful manner. Money has to be given back. I don't know what more to say about this matter. If I steal 200$ out of your pocket and you find out, my feeling is you would want your money back, not an apology and my heartfelt assurance that it won't happen again...

Wow I can't believe all the people disagreeing with you. They unlawfully issued tickets, were made aware that they were unlawful, and don't want to refund the money ??? I must be taking crazy pills for people to think this is ok.

What's the statute of limitations for such things in NY?

The very point of the statute of limitations is to limit how much of the present is spent digging up the past.

Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

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An anecdot: when I lived in Manhattan in 2001, I parked near 61st and 1st, between two differing parking signs. I was clearly very close to one, and much further from another, by at least 50 yards. I got a ticket for illegal parking according to the further sign. Being a broke ex-dot-commer, I was furious, so I photographed and measured everything, and put together a seven page report. After a long while, I got a res…

'There is no such thing as a plea of innocence in my court. A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty.'

Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

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Wow I can't believe all the people disagreeing with you. They unlawfully issued tickets, were made aware that they were unlawful, and don't want to refund the money ??? I must be taking crazy pills for people to think this is ok.

What's the statute of limitations for such things in NY? The very point of the statute of limitations is to limit how much of the present is spent digging up the past.

Hearings are not granted for tickets issued over 1 year ago.[0]

The owner must submit a Request for Hearing after Judgment form to fight the ticket. If the request for hearing after judgment is granted, the judge will hear the defense to the parking ticket. If the request is not granted, no hearing will be held and the total fine, interest, and penalties will be due.

[0]: http://www1.nyc.gov/nyc-resources/service/1652/fight-a-parki...

Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

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An anecdot: when I lived in Manhattan in 2001, I parked near 61st and 1st, between two differing parking signs. I was clearly very close to one, and much further from another, by at least 50 yards. I got a ticket for illegal parking according to the further sign. Being a broke ex-dot-commer, I was furious, so I photographed and measured everything, and put together a seven page report. After a long while, I got a res…

i've had a similar situation in germany though not related to parking. i fought back while everybody suggested to just pay. after several letters quoting the law, they lowered the fine.

i wanted to fight to the end because it was a sign for me that they half-admitted wrong-doing.

but, as a sheep, i ended up paying. still hate myself for giving in.

Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

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> its not like the tickets were written in bad faith. There's been a huge proliferation of laws in the last ~20 years or so which are categorized as Strict Liability. Taxes have always been like this, but lately a lot of new laws have said "follow this or else" full stop. Since normal everyday citizens are being held to strict liability every day, I see no reason to be so forgiving of officers. I'm not suggesting tha…

Can't up vote this enough."Ignorance of the law is not an excuse" is played out on the citizens of NYC (and elsewhere) on the daily. Don't let authority off so easy. Hold those that would hold you liable, liable.

> Ignorance of the law is not an excuse

Supreme Court says otherwise, if you're a cop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heien_v._North_Carolina

Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

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Eh. Cities issue parking violations all the time when they shouldn't (partially because the rules can be confusing). And, at the same time, many, many people get off with parking violations because they weren't caught. It's hard for me to get excited about a specific group of non-violations because they happened to occur in high incidence spots as uncovered by an examination of public data. I'm not opposed to the cit…

So, it's OK to punish innocent people because guilty people go free? That's your argument?

I think the point is that sometimes fighting tooth & nail out of principle for an issue of minor relevance may not be worth it if it damages the goodwill of those making a big and relevant change for good.

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An anecdot: when I lived in Manhattan in 2001, I parked near 61st and 1st, between two differing parking signs. I was clearly very close to one, and much further from another, by at least 50 yards. I got a ticket for illegal parking according to the further sign. Being a broke ex-dot-commer, I was furious, so I photographed and measured everything, and put together a seven page report. After a long while, I got a res…

Weighted average of the two signs?

Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

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It might make sense to focus on the core issue of pedestrian safety and curb cuts. As someone who rolls to most of my destinations on wheels blocked ramps can be a major inconvenience that might conceivably compete with parking convenience as an issue.
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