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The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

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Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

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So, i would wait till they stop before i would declare victory :) Certainly a great step forward, but my cynical view, after dealing with tons and tons and tons of city governments (it used to be my job):

It's very easy to issue statements saying they've solved the problem. Rarely do they actually solve the problem :)

Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

#122
Headline -- "The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It."

Expanded & Explicit Translated Headline -- "Some NYPD Officers Were Cutting Corners in a Profession Where Cutting Corners is a Relatively Big Deal. Some People With Computers Did a Fancy Search and Now Those Cops Are Rightfully Getting in Trouble and the Shit Is Stopping"

You're welcome.

Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

#123
How do you know that these tickets, given at locations of pedestrian ramps, were not actually due to other things... like uncommon street sweeping hours or those pesky snow parking restrictions that are so hard to keep track of. Is the reason for citation available in the data?

Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

#124
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice. I'm just hoping you won't find out one day that they didn't forget in the form of an arrest warrant or something like that for failure to pay. (Disclaimer: I live in Melbourne, Australia, so that could just be the stuff of fiction for what I know).

MA will enforce unpaid fines with non-renewal of MA driver's license or vehicle registration. I don't know with which states MA has a reciprocity agreement for that. (And eventually, I think at 3 overdue tickets, your car is eligible for the boot.) These are civil fines; no arrest warrant will be issued, but I also doubt that just because BPD stopped sending notices that they agree the ticket was bogus and have delet…

> I also doubt that just because BPD stopped sending notices that they agree the ticket was bogus and have deleted it. Far more likely is they just stopped sending notices and the ticket is still active.

I attempted to pay the ticket, it was no longer in the system.

Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

#125
post #90

It seems that there are multiple failures here. 1. Designated approved cutouts should be an easier process to obtain (just try getting a stop sign/crosswalk approved in the city and you'll understand the black hole that is the DOT approval process) 2. Over eager officers issuing tickets. Pedestrian cutouts are there for a real purpose, namely accessibility for people with disabilities and wheelchairs. While it sucks…

Cutouts enable wheelchair users to cross the edge of the sidewalk just as walking people do. Does the fact that there is a crosswalk with a step imply that a car cannot park there? Clearly no, otherwise there would be no parking stops at all. Then neither should a cutout.

Love your rhetoric. You're ignoring the fact that non-wheelchair users can ahem, walk around those obstructions.

Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

#126
post #65

That's a shame. Parking in front of a handicapped-access ramp is a shitty thing to do even if it is legal.

It's either legal to park in a spot or not legal to park in a spot. It doesn't work and certainly doesn't scale to have spots where "maybe I shouldn't park there because I might get in someone's way even though it's a legal spot."

The article mentions that regulations recently changed to allow this, maybe the cops are just using common sense?

Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

#128
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I respectfully disagree with you. Money has been taken from citizens by the authorities in an unlawful manner. Money has to be given back. I don't know what more to say about this matter. If I steal 200$ out of your pocket and you find out, my feeling is you would want your money back, not an apology and my heartfelt assurance that it won't happen again...

Your analogy doesn't really work because while there is all this outrage by some people here, I haven't actually seen evidence so far of the NYPD refusing to issue refunds. The thing is, there doesn't seem to be a cheap and automatic way to (a) accurately filter out all incorrect tickets and (b) track the people down who were wrongfully ticketed. (Yes, analyzing the thousands of different parking spots where tickets…

>analyzing the thousands of different parking spots where tickets were issued for their legality is an expensive process

With data about exact location of where each ticket was issued, it wouldn't have to be expensive.

Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

#129
post #3

For people who skip straight to the comments: I couldn't fit it into the title, but the other half of the OP's title is that the author confronted the NYPD with his data analysis and they thanked him and spoke positively about the effect of open data: > “Mr. Wellington’s analysis identified errors the department made in issuing parking summonses. It appears to be a misunderstanding by officers on patrol of a recent,…

It's hard to read between the lines, especially from afar, but their motivation to put a positive spin on it could also be political. The phrase "a recent, abstruse change in the parking rules" caught my eye. Maybe they are using these revelations to support an ongoing spat over said rules.

Re: The NYPD Was Ticketing Legally Parked Cars; Open Data Put an End to It

#130
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I respectfully disagree with you. Money has been taken from citizens by the authorities in an unlawful manner. Money has to be given back. I don't know what more to say about this matter. If I steal 200$ out of your pocket and you find out, my feeling is you would want your money back, not an apology and my heartfelt assurance that it won't happen again...

Your analogy doesn't really work because while there is all this outrage by some people here, I haven't actually seen evidence so far of the NYPD refusing to issue refunds. The thing is, there doesn't seem to be a cheap and automatic way to (a) accurately filter out all incorrect tickets and (b) track the people down who were wrongfully ticketed. (Yes, analyzing the thousands of different parking spots where tickets…

It's not difficult to pinpoint blame and there is no scapegoat.

"Brooklyn’s 70th Precinct seems to have the most cars wrongly ticketed, bringing in over $100,000 in fines a year. The 77th, also in Brooklyn, comes in second:"

That's not an oversight. That's a systematic abuse of the public trust. How about people that didn't know they were wrongfully ticketed and fined? How about people that couldn't take the time off to dispute the ticket? Its extortionate.

I hope the next time you are on the wrong side of a municipal fine you remember you remember your glib words. Its as simple as that.

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