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Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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Actually.. Hillary has received the most negative media articles out of any candidate, including Trump. http://www.vox.com/2016/4/15/11410160/hillary-clinton-media-...

That's really a pretty useless analysis. By that metric, the media had an overwhelming bias towards Lincoln Chaffee. In fact, it directly supports the scenario the OP brought up. Frequently Bernie Sanders will bring something up and then the media focuses its article on Hillary's response (even if that article might sometimes be unflattering).

Who's Lincoln Chaffee?

What this shows is the media has a positive bias towards Kasich and Sanders, neither of which were received as such by voters. What it also shows is media bias doesn't always win votes or elections.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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[Disclosure: I'm an ex-FB employee.] This is a bit of a click-bait title, and is somewhat true -- but not in the way you think. When FB was developing hashtags and content features, there was a concern that it is tough to find a middle-ground between 100% purely algorithmic generated content (i.e. leverage tastes data and supply articles suited to your interests) and 100% curated content (i.e. leverage tastes data, b…

Crazy, there was someone who just posted a rant against BLM in response to this s3r3nity's comment and it was deleted like two minutes ago. Does HN suffer from the same censorship that Facebook does?

Nothing wrong with that -- as HN readers we can flag / downvote comments and perform our own collective self-censorship (for better or worse).

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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> “It was absolutely bias. We were doing it subjectively. It just depends on who the curator is and what time of day it is,” said the former curator. > Other former curators interviewed by Gizmodo denied consciously suppressing conservative news, and we were unable to determine if left-wing news topics or sources were similarly suppressed. The conservative curator described the omissions as a function of his colleagu…

Or Facebook has learned the art of Plausible Deniability. If the bias happens during hiring (by preferring candidates who naturally lean left), then Facebook merely needs to give them curation power without giving explicit instructions.

Such as the BBC only advertising jobs in the Graun, and wondering why people accuse it of bias.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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I have no great love of conservative politics, but there's a convincing argument to be made that their ideas and views are routinely suppressed by media outside of explicitly partisan media outlets (i.e. Fox News or talk radio). There are a number of studies that back up this claim. A 2008 study[0] found that 88% of journalists donate to the Democratic party. Jonathan Haidt has shown[1] that non-economics social scie…

> non-economics social sciences skew more than 14-1 liberal to conservative isn't it so for every science? I mean it is only natural that the conservative views are displaced by education and scientific knowledge. That is almost by definition.

Can you really not see the extreme bias in that statement?

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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(Remember, the point was matching "empirical reality") > Benghazi was the result of a YouTube video! Meh. Who cares? That was an insignificant event compared to the climate and government policy. > We're not spying on your emails! This one uses the NSA's word game where they claim it's only a "search" when a human looks at it. While I suspect many regular politicians (including Obama) don't fully understand the subje…

But here's the thing: drawing the line between "conservatism" and "liberal" is arbitrary. Would you say that 100% of conservative beliefs are false and that 100% of liberal beliefs are true? The whole point of my counterarguments is that we should always be critical of views and of people who claim to espouse them. The Democratic party is just as corrupt as the Republican party -- just look at the Chicago machine.

We're not talking about partisan preferences. We're talking about good and bad sources of journalism. News sources that use good journalistic practices (confirmation by second sources, publication of corrections, etc.) and that don't perpetuate debunked misinformation are preferable in my news feed over lower-quality "news" sources. If that penalizes certain partisan or ideological outlets, then tough.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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That's really a pretty useless analysis. By that metric, the media had an overwhelming bias towards Lincoln Chaffee. In fact, it directly supports the scenario the OP brought up. Frequently Bernie Sanders will bring something up and then the media focuses its article on Hillary's response (even if that article might sometimes be unflattering).

Who's Lincoln Chaffee? What this shows is the media has a positive bias towards Kasich and Sanders, neither of which were received as such by voters. What it also shows is media bias doesn't always win votes or elections.

> Who's Lincoln Chaffee?

Exactly.

> What this shows is the media has a positive bias towards Kasich and Sanders, neither of which were received as such by voters.

No, what it shows is that the media writes way more articles about Clinton, positive and negative.

Imagine the media writes 2 articles about Sanders, one negative and one positive. And then it writes 20 about Clinton, 11 negative and 9 positive. Who is it biased in favor of?

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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>>> I find it extremely difficult to relate to and debate the American conservative Yet, the topic here is that conservative-related news items appear to have been suppressed or down-scored on the influential Facebook trending box, presumably by liberal or liberal-leaning curators (or algorithms written by liberal leaning programmers). How do you conclude that conservatives are uncompromising or closed minded when in…

Most of Facebook's users are international. There is a chance that what is "liberal" in America is simply something that runs counter to the American conservatives disciplined beliefs. Example #1: When a prominent American conservative does something like shutdown the government instead of compromising (remember compromising gets you booted at the next elections see: Paul Ryan). To most of the world (liberal and cons…

Your examples are not what happens though. What happens is promoting stories favorable to democrat politicians, hiding stories favorable to republican politicians, covering up "refugee" crimes, reporting completely made up "evil right wing death squad nazis" doing evil anti-refugee things that never happened, etc, etc.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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post #253

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Or Facebook has learned the art of Plausible Deniability. If the bias happens during hiring (by preferring candidates who naturally lean left), then Facebook merely needs to give them curation power without giving explicit instructions.

Such as the BBC only advertising jobs in the Graun, and wondering why people accuse it of bias.

To be fair, the Sun also do most of their recruitment advertising the in grauniad. The Guardian is the only daily paper with a media recruitment section. It's not surprising that media outlets advertise media jobs in a media recruitment section.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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Part of that might be that conservatives and moderates hear the liberal opinion expressed in so many out outlets that it is fairly easy to give an accurate answer where liberals hear what liberal outlets think conservatives think which is sensationalized to gain eyeballs. I was taught to be able to argue the other sides opinion as well because then you truly understand what you believe.

Or it could be due to the fact that the current conservative movement relies on deception to push it's agenda, which makes it difficult for the average lay person to even understand what they stand for. Tax cuts marketed as economic stimulus, attacks on regulations and consumer/environmental protections marketed as 'making government more efficient', racial oppression disguised as drug/crime laws, universal health ca…

case in point.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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>>> I find it extremely difficult to relate to and debate the American conservative Yet, the topic here is that conservative-related news items appear to have been suppressed or down-scored on the influential Facebook trending box, presumably by liberal or liberal-leaning curators (or algorithms written by liberal leaning programmers). How do you conclude that conservatives are uncompromising or closed minded when in…

Most of Facebook's users are international. There is a chance that what is "liberal" in America is simply something that runs counter to the American conservatives disciplined beliefs. Example #1: When a prominent American conservative does something like shutdown the government instead of compromising (remember compromising gets you booted at the next elections see: Paul Ryan). To most of the world (liberal and cons…

Sure, however the issue is how does this news 'bubble up'?

Because the International Facebook community are sharing and commenting on it organically, or because a group of liberal curators decide that's what Facebook users will see in the trending column?

As far as I understand, it's not the news that's being promoted (let's display this article on global warming, for example) that's the issue here, it's the news that's being suppressed (this Donald Trump post is getting popular, but I don't like his views so let's not display it).

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