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Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#132
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NEWS sites that filter out news to meet its own agendas? Expected. But let's stay focused on the topic, Facebook.

Absolutely. Users don't perceive Facebook as a news site. They perceive it as a representation of their community, and as such, it is immensely more influential. That's why this is dangerous.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#133

Perhaps Facebook was suppressing "news" items contradicted by empirical reality, and this policy disproportionately affected conservative positions.

Guess what, conservatives think "liberal news" are contradicted by empirical reality too. Nobody thinks they are in the wrong.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#134
post #62

What if it were liberal news? This is basically the filter bubble problem. All filters have biases whether they are human or algorithmic.

> What if it were liberal news? If you read the article, its quite possible that it was also liberal news, depending on individual curators. Given other FB interventions I've seen, I'd be surprised if, like everything else at FB, the news moderation wasn't just stunningly inconsistent with rampant suppression of left, right, and center according to individual and essentially unaccountable whim. FB is tolerably usable…

> If you read the article, its quite possible that it was also liberal news, depending on individual curators.

"we were unable to determine if left-wing news topics or sources were similarly suppressed"

I see what you're getting at, but I highly doubt liberal news was systematically suppressed. Facebook is a notoriously far-left company, located in a region of the US that is already far-left.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#135

So what. The day Bill Clinton got elected, Rush Limbaugh started counting the days of "America Held Hostage". Today Fox News leads every day with how there is a N gg r in the White House and we all hate Obama and everything he stands for, and it is a tragedy we will get four years of Hillary because the Republicans are so screwed up, and... Right wing "thinkers" get unlimited funding from the likes of the Koch Brothe…

Part of what you said is hyperbolic or plainly not true, another part a false equivalence and, in both cases, it greatly misses the point.

To get two points right out of the way:

1. I completely agree that the mainstream media in the U.S. (and in most parts of the world) is very biased and partisan.

2. I also agree that, as private companies, both Facebook and the mainstream media are in their complete right to proceed with their business as they see fit, within the legality of it anyway. I don't believe whatever it is that they do is a First Amendment (the rule forbidding the government from suppressing freedom of speech, assembly, etc) matter although it can be a freedom of speech (the natural right) matter.

With that out of the way the main reasoning of this post.

The great promise of the Internet in general and social media in particular is that, maybe for the first time in history, the natural rights of freedom of speech and freedom of assembly come together in this amazing technological manner and, at least in principle, without the need for authorization and without the interference of powerful third parties like the government or the elite.

People can exchange thoughts and ideas, coordinate, and interact instantaneously all across the globe without the need of long travel or intermediaries relaying those messages.

There was even an implicit promise, an unrealized one when, in many of the big public manifestations of the beginning of this decade the so called "Social Media Revolution" helped to magnify the voice of the people in the streets, to help them to coordinate outside the graps of their governments (that usually have full control of both the media and the old means of communication like landlines and mobile phones).

And these new companies (like FB, Twitter, Reddit to name a few) capitalized on that claim too, posting themselves as bastions of freedom of speech, the tools for people to change the world, one hashtag at a time.

Now, the damnedest thing: with each revelation like this one it becomes apparent that "the king is dead, long live the king".

These companies, far from providing the means for people to communicate, to freely exchange thoughts and ideas, they try to shape and mold these ideas just like the very tools the government and the oligarchy uses to control the people.

If it is real that Facebook does that (and there is no reason to doubt) that betrays the people a lot more than the examples you mention. I believe people, after all these centuries since the printing press (now synonymous with journalism) are used to the idea that it is biased, partisan and, in general unreliable.

But when it is their very words and thoughts that are being distorted, the ones from their friends, their neighbors, whose opinions and ideas can be amplified or muted at will depending on whether they conform or not to the gateway controllers agenda, that in my opinion is the ultimate betrayal by those companies.

Assuming this and many other suspicious about their behavior is true Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and the social media in general is betraying the people a lot worse than the mainstream media are.

[1] The Social Media Revolution: Exploring the Impact on Journalism and News Media Organizations [2010]: http://www.studentpulse.com/articles/202/the-social-media-re...

[2] If You Doubt That Social Media Has Changed The World, Take A Look At Ukraine [2014]: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsatell/2014/01/18/if-you-dou...

[3] Welcome to the social media revolution [2012]: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-18013662

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#136

This seems like a story built specifically for a segment on Fox News where the newscasters feign shock and horror that their news topics aren't being covered by "mainstream media". Of course trending news is curated. All hell would break loose otherwise. There is no shortage of rabid political content conservative or otherwise on Facebook. A good part of the end user community would rather not deal with it.

To get two points right out of the way:

1. I completely agree that the mainstream media in the U.S. (and in most parts of the world) is very biased and partisan.

2. I also agree that, as private companies, both Facebook and the mainstream media are in their complete right to proceed with their business as they see fit, within the legality of it anyway. I don't believe whatever it is that they do is a First Amendment (the rule forbidding the government from suppressing freedom of speech, assembly, etc) matter although it can be a freedom of speech (the natural right) matter.

With that out of the way the main reasoning of this post.

The great promise of the Internet in general and social media in particular is that, maybe for the first time in history, the natural rights of freedom of speech and freedom of assembly come together in this amazing technological manner and, at least in principle, without the need for authorization and without the interference of powerful third parties like the government or the elite.

People can exchange thoughts and ideas, coordinate, and interact instantaneously all across the globe without the need of long travel or intermediaries relaying those messages.

There was even an implicit promise, an unrealized one when, in many of the big public manifestations of the beginning of this decade the so called "Social Media Revolution" helped to magnify the voice of the people in the streets, to help them to coordinate outside the graps of their governments (that usually have full control of both the media and the old means of communication like landlines and mobile phones).

And these new companies (like FB, Twitter, Reddit to name a few) capitalized on that claim too, posting themselves as bastions of freedom of speech, the tools for people to change the world, one hashtag at a time.

Now, the damnedest thing: with each revelation like this one it becomes apparent that "the king is dead, long live the king".

These companies, far from providing the means for people to communicate, to freely exchange thoughts and ideas, they try to shape and mold these ideas just like the very tools the government and the oligarchy uses to control the people.

If it is real that Facebook does that (and there is no reason to doubt) that betrays the people a lot more than the examples you mention. I believe people, after all these centuries since the printing press (now synonymous with journalism) are used to the idea that it is biased, partisan and, in general unreliable.

But when it is their very words and thoughts that are being distorted, the ones from their friends, their neighbors, whose opinions and ideas can be amplified or muted at will depending on whether they conform or not to the gateway controllers agenda, that in my opinion is the ultimate betrayal by those companies.

Assuming this and many other suspicious about their behavior is true Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and the social media in general is betraying the people a lot worse than the mainstream media are.

[1] The Social Media Revolution: Exploring the Impact on Journalism and News Media Organizations [2010]: http://www.studentpulse.com/articles/202/the-social-media-re....

[2] If You Doubt That Social Media Has Changed The World, Take A Look At Ukraine [2014]: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsatell/2014/01/18/if-you-dou....

[3] Welcome to the social media revolution [2012]: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-18013662

(recycling this post made to the duplicated thread, but still appropriate to this one)

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#137
post #62

What if it were liberal news? This is basically the filter bubble problem. All filters have biases whether they are human or algorithmic.

This is basically the monopoly problem. The problem isn't that FB is slanted, but that FB has a near-monopoly on user attention, which allows its slant to be both covert and disproportionately influential. If FB was one of a selection of companies competing in the same space, political bias would be less of an issue, because it would be more like the print magazine and blog space. But then you have the problem that t…

> The problem isn't that FB is slanted, but that FB has a near-monopoly on user attention, which allows its slant to be both covert and disproportionately influential.

I couldn't agree more. They also have an unprecedented level of reach (billions of users) and user trust (appearance of community opinion vs. news media filtering).

> So the problem is much wider than FB.

Absolutely. Facebook is far from being the only offender here, and in a way, this is a growing pain of new technology. Just as we learned to not trust big media, we also will have to learn to approach social media with skepticism (despite it's inherently organic appearance).

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#138
I have no great love of conservative politics, but there's a convincing argument to be made that their ideas and views are routinely suppressed by media outside of explicitly partisan media outlets (i.e. Fox News or talk radio).

There are a number of studies that back up this claim. A 2008 study[0] found that 88% of journalists donate to the Democratic party. Jonathan Haidt has shown[1] that non-economics social sciences skew more than 14-1 liberal to conservative (and that universities have not always been so skewed).

For anyone who believes these statistics are not based on overt discrimination based on political viewpoint, a recent study[2] showed that discrimination by party is stronger than that of race. The study did so by reproducing a landmark study that demonstrated the existence of unconscious racial bias (the implicit association test), but instead using political indicators. They found that partisan political positions triggered implicit associations 50% stronger than that of racial biases. There is also a recent book called "Passing on the Right"[3] which provides some personal narratives of conservative academics.

If you're relying on academic knowledge to provide you a sense of reality, you're viewing reality through a lens that is biased to a 93% degree towards one political pole, and then receiving that knowledge through a media system which is biased to an 88% degree towards that same political pole.

Even if you, like me, generally believe that the liberal political position is correct, ideological conformity of this magnitude should frighten you.

[0] http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/130902

[1] http://heterodoxacademy.org/2015/09/14/bbs-paper-on-lack-of-...

[2] https://pcl.stanford.edu/research/2015/iyengar-ajps-group-po...

[3] https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/03/30/new-book-deta...

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#139

I'd be interested to know a little bit more about how this relates to the news sites that are covering the story. Breitbart isn't much better than a tabloid--arguably worse, even. It's equivalent to leftwing sites like Alternet, which I also wouldn't expect Facebook to be comfortable linking to.

The article says they censor the Drudge Report, which is much more reliable than Breitbart.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

#140

> “It was absolutely bias. We were doing it subjectively. It just depends on who the curator is and what time of day it is,” said the former curator. > Other former curators interviewed by Gizmodo denied consciously suppressing conservative news, and we were unable to determine if left-wing news topics or sources were similarly suppressed. The conservative curator described the omissions as a function of his colleagu…

Or Facebook has learned the art of Plausible Deniability. If the bias happens during hiring (by preferring candidates who naturally lean left), then Facebook merely needs to give them curation power without giving explicit instructions.

This sounds too much like a conspiracy theory to take very seriously. Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetence.
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