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Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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I have no great love of conservative politics, but there's a convincing argument to be made that their ideas and views are routinely suppressed by media outside of explicitly partisan media outlets (i.e. Fox News or talk radio). There are a number of studies that back up this claim. A 2008 study[0] found that 88% of journalists donate to the Democratic party. Jonathan Haidt has shown[1] that non-economics social scie…

This "seems" like an American phenomenon. As a liberal, I can have a fully formed debate with a British Conservative, A Canadian conservative, a European conservative (sans latent Nazism), however the dominant American conservative seems to be operating on a completely different plain and set of assumptions. I find it extremely difficult to relate to and debate the American conservative. In general, if an american (college, newspaper etc.) seems uber-liberal in America, it is just run-of-the-mill centrist in most other countries. Not because of any stated or unstated institutional biases, but simply because its been labelled so by a relentless, uncompromising, hyper-focussed and hugely disciplined conservative media looking for easy answers.

P.S: Also the predilection to openly say "Compromise is impossible", esp behind the scenes, also seems to be a unique attribute of the American Conservative.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An angry conservative who worked at Facebook was shocked and horrified when he was instructed to remove the breitbart 'story' about how Obama is actually a secret Muslim terrorist from Benghazi and is throwing a hissy fit all over the internet. Not necessarily the case, but this is certainly my initial assessment of the situation without learning more.

Yeah, without some concrete examples it's hard to know exactly what is going on here. That said, Facebook is certainly not coming out of this smelling like roses. The "Top Stories" mode is horrible, and Facebook tries really really hard to force you into it, especially on mobile. IMHO it is going to be the death of them in the long term. When they're yet another Friendster/MySpace/etc... this is what I'm going to poi…

when did myspace algorithmically autosort news stories? the products arent even in the same category.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> non-economics social sciences skew more than 14-1 liberal to conservative isn't it so for every science? I mean it is only natural that the conservative views are displaced by education and scientific knowledge. That is almost by definition.

One of the fascinating things about that article I linked to is that it shows that this extreme bias has only existed since the 1990's. Before that time academia was moderately slanted to the left (a ratio of 2-1 or 3-1), but not to the severe extent. It's important to note that while conservative positions on some issues are objectively at odds with science (global warming comes to mind), there are plenty of liberal…

It's hard to draw the line of causation though. Maybe the same kind of people have always gone into academia but the Overton Window has shifted.

I generally agree with older conservative agendas (smaller government, efficiency, equality of opportunity) but would never ever call myself a conservative today. Doing so risks lumping yourself in with an ideology which denies reality.

That being said, I'd also hesitate to label myself a liberal due to some of the less rational aspects of liberalism today (knee-jerk anti-capitalism, safe spaces, GMOs).

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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The problem is, as a private company, should Facebook choose to manipulate it's news feed algorithm to promote one candidate or the other, or for whatever reason, this would be its prerogative under the First Amendment. I personally choose to not use Facebook specifically for these reasons. Even though I know many Facebook employees personally, I don't trust it's employees to divorce their own interests and their pow…

Any democratic country depends on the quality of public discourse for the effectiveness of its political system, and for this reason many countries have special rules for newspapers and TV. What's important here is that Facebook is not covered by those laws, simply because it did not exist when the laws were created. In my view it should be covered by those laws. One defence Facebook might consider is to say that it…

facebook is a public company insofar as a single person having the only vote

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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The American two-party system is so weird. It tries to condense a complex matrix of sometimes-overlapping and fluid opinion scales -- socially conservative vs. socially liberal, globalist vs. protectionist, environmentalist vs. laissez-faire capitalist, and so on -- into one binary value. And somehow people have become convinced that not only is such a binary scale meaningful, but also the only available choice.

In many European democracies there's a functional multi-party system where parties appear and disappear over time to reflect voters' opinions. For example, there might be a protectionist right-wing party that's favored by farmers, and another one that supports free trade and listens to big business. Same happens on all the axes. Governments are formed as coalitions of these "SMB-sized" parties based on the votes. It's not "winner takes all", but rather "winners and not-so-bad-losers negotiate to find common ground".

What if the Republican and Democratic parties would break up into 6-10 new parties to better represent the actual opinions of the existing divisions within these parties?

Statistics like "88% of journalists are anti-conservative" show how difficult it's to say anything meaningful about a polarized political field. To look at it another way, that 12% is roughly the level of support that extreme right-wing political parties enjoy in Europe these days. Lumping 88% of European voters together as one party would be ridiculous because that party would contain both former communists and free-trade globalists.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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> “It was absolutely bias. We were doing it subjectively. It just depends on who the curator is and what time of day it is,” said the former curator. > Other former curators interviewed by Gizmodo denied consciously suppressing conservative news, and we were unable to determine if left-wing news topics or sources were similarly suppressed. The conservative curator described the omissions as a function of his colleagu…

isnt the point of hiring a "curator" to have people select and omit stories based on newsworthiness vs being nonstories?

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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Just a rant because I'm sick of the hypocrisy and double standards being perpetrated by the media and ignoramuses and I guess Facebook too - Black Lives matter is a racist, anarchist organization that engages in illegitimate and illegal protests, and whoever is funding them should be investigated and stand trial for supporting terrorist organizations.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tax cuts raise revenue! Saddam had WMDs and participated in 9/11! Global climate change is a myth/conspiracy! Obamacare will lead to high unemployment! Allowing transgendered women into ladies' rooms leads to assaults on our wimminfolk! The Earth is 6,020 years old and evolution is a Satanic lie! If Facebook is keeping "news" sources with this kind of debunked, disproven, dishonest "facts" out of my news stream, then…

Benghazi was the result of a YouTube video! We're not spying on your emails! I never sent classified information on that server! Drone strikes only hit terrorists! There are no secret "kill lists"! With this insurance program you'll get to keep your doctors! We aren't going to make you pay for insurance you don't need! The SuperDelegates are just a way to amplify Vox Populi! "If Facebook is keeping "news" like this,…

(Remember, the point was matching "empirical reality")

> Benghazi was the result of a YouTube video!

Meh. Who cares? That was an insignificant event compared to the climate and government policy.

> We're not spying on your emails!

This one uses the NSA's word game where they claim it's only a "search" when a human looks at it. While I suspect many regular politicians (including Obama) don't fully understand the subject, this one should be counted as a lie.

> I never sent classified information on that server!

Hillary still might be indicted for that, though I suspect the "rich and powerful" will trump "rule of law" as usual. It might be useful to stop framing everything as conservative-vs-liberal, and realize that there are rich people everywhere on the political spectrum. Their most successful strategy was getting everyone else to fight between themselves.

As for empirical reality, I have no idea if it's true. If we're (very) lucky, the indictment will happen and the truth will be revealed in court.

> Drone strikes only hit terrorists!

I agree that this is a lie, but it's non-partisan. Drones strikes (and similar war crimes) started before Obama.

> There are no secret "kill lists"!

(same as above)

> With this insurance program you'll get to keep your doctors!

That's true. If you doctor or supplementary insurance decided to drop you instead of meeting the requirements of the Affordable Care Act, that's between you and your doctor.

> We aren't going to make you pay for insurance you don't need!

You plan to never use medical services?

> The SuperDelegates are just a way to amplify Vox Populi!

I'll agree this one is a lie.

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To summarize, nothing is perfect, but conservatives have a much more serious problem with reality. Most politicians play political games and dissemble to get what they want, but it's disingenuous to claim both side are similarly wrong. Denial of our climate problems, creationist beliefs, and claiming revenue can be increase with tax cuts (the main source of revenue) are in contradiction with reality in fundamental - and easily observable - ways.

Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News

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post #226

> “It was absolutely bias. We were doing it subjectively. It just depends on who the curator is and what time of day it is,” said the former curator. > Other former curators interviewed by Gizmodo denied consciously suppressing conservative news, and we were unable to determine if left-wing news topics or sources were similarly suppressed. The conservative curator described the omissions as a function of his colleagu…

isnt the point of hiring a "curator" to have people select and omit stories based on newsworthiness vs being nonstories?

I would assume this is why they hired people with journalistic backgrounds, but it looks like they should have had some more sophisticated consensus-seeking and quality control mechanisms in place.
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