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Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by elthran »

maxaf wrote: post #39
newjersey wrote: post #26

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This is the worst offense. The iPodization of water is real. I try to avoid buying water whenever I can. If people like us who have a voice will just quietly switch to bottled water or very expensive home filtration, then we will have failed our civic duty.

Almost everywhere I travel outside of NYC the question pops up: is tap water safe to drink? New York is notoriously proud of and vocal about this local amenity. Achieving a universal standard in this area would go a long way towards putting a significant dent in the bottled water scam.

By outside of NYC do you mean just elsewhere in the USA? I didn't realize the situation was that bad in the USA, outside of places such as Flint.

I'm from the UK, and this question never comes up anywhere in the country (I'm aware of the scale differences we're talking about)- if you travel anywhere, you can drink the tap water.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by techiferous »

brianwawok wrote: post #40
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #36

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That was my first thought when I saw the headline. Water is a human need. All that out, however, I do actually agree with some of what is being done. I'd seriously prefer to eat a gummy candy than swallow a pill - no matter how small a pill is, I can only swallow one at a time. Patients with dementia get crushed medicines mixed with jelly or another substance here - and a pre-mixed solution of some sort would be easi…

People in the US already take about 10x too much medicine. Not sure making it easier is a good social goal.

Agreed. Some health problems are reversed by making healthy diet and lifestyle changes.

If your body is unhealthy because you eat too much sugar and refined carbs, and you take a pill for that, you now have two problems.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by jzwinck »

jld89 wrote: post #29
mhurron wrote: post #10

Diabetes is not always a byproduct of over consuming sugar and a company producing sugary snacks and diabetes pills does not force or even encourage over consumption of sugar. I don't see what the actual problem is.

"does not force or even encourage over consumption of sugar." Actually they do encourage you to eat a lot of sugar. Specially children. Their marketing campaigns are specially tailored to that objective. Just look at the cereal advertisements, most of their cereal brands have a lot of sugar in them. If that is not encouraging over consumption of sugar I don't know what is...

Their marketing is designed to sell cereal. People unfortunately are happiest (short term) to consume sugary cereal. They really are.

I met a breakfast food operative in the supermarket once. I told him I thought his company should offer a low sugar version. He said everyone tells them to do so, but once it's on the shelves it does not sell.

People want less sugar in the abstract. But they love sugar in their shopping carts, in the mornings, and in their mouths.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by dasboth »

mhurron wrote: post #37
sledgehammers wrote: post #28

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Really, you don't see any problem here? You said it yourself. It's not _always_ a (direct) byproduct of over consuming sugar. However, it often is.

No, diabetes is often a byproduct of choosing to over consume sugar. Nestle didn't make them diabetic, they did that to themselves. There is no direct cause and effect, producing sugary snacks does not cause diabetes. People choose to over consume to the point they develop diabetes. People's lack of self control created a market, Nestle wants to be one of the companies in that market.

Honest question: do you see nothing wrong with someone monetising other people's lack of self control?

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by folli »

ck2 wrote: post #47
piquadrat wrote: post #41

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Can we stop this "Nestlé thinks water isn't a human right" BS already? http://www.nestle.com/ask-nestle/human-rights/answers/nestle... I'm far from being a fan of Nestlé, but there are better arguments against their conduct than a single quote from the CEO years ago, misquoted and out of context.

They do think it is their right to buy publicly owned municipality water and then sell it back to the public. I mean with soda at least they are putting a few cents per gallon into it. There should be a truth-in-advertising law they makes the bottle labels say "filtered publicly owned water $1".

In my opinion, the blaming is very one-sided. I mean what kind of municipality sells such rights to a private entity?

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by dagw »

ck2 wrote: post #47
piquadrat wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we stop this "Nestlé thinks water isn't a human right" BS already? http://www.nestle.com/ask-nestle/human-rights/answers/nestle... I'm far from being a fan of Nestlé, but there are better arguments against their conduct than a single quote from the CEO years ago, misquoted and out of context.

They do think it is their right to buy publicly owned municipality water and then sell it back to the public. I mean with soda at least they are putting a few cents per gallon into it. There should be a truth-in-advertising law they makes the bottle labels say "filtered publicly owned water $1".

There should be a truth-in-advertising law

Aren't there? I'm sure I've seen the source of the water printed on the water bottles.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by pavel_lishin »

jld89 wrote: post #29
mhurron wrote: post #10

Diabetes is not always a byproduct of over consuming sugar and a company producing sugary snacks and diabetes pills does not force or even encourage over consumption of sugar. I don't see what the actual problem is.

"does not force or even encourage over consumption of sugar." Actually they do encourage you to eat a lot of sugar. Specially children. Their marketing campaigns are specially tailored to that objective. Just look at the cereal advertisements, most of their cereal brands have a lot of sugar in them. If that is not encouraging over consumption of sugar I don't know what is...

"Look, we're not encouraging over-consumption of sugar. It's just that we know that people will over-consume sugar, and we make food packed with sugar, and we market it to those people."

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by parennoob »

mhurron wrote: post #10

Diabetes is not always a byproduct of over consuming sugar and a company producing sugary snacks and diabetes pills does not force or even encourage over consumption of sugar. I don't see what the actual problem is.

> a company producing sugary snacks and diabetes pills does not force or even encourage over consumption of sugar

First of all, it is going a bit far to say they don't encourage over consumption of sugar. Nestle dropped a couple of billion on advertising last year [1], and that is primarily sugary food, or at least food that's broadly unhealthy.

Secondly, what about the tobacco companies? They did not force anyone to consume their products either; but with strict limiting of their marketing, especially to young children, the rate of smoking has gone down a lot in the States.

Studies show that willpower is a limited resource [2]. If you are being assaulted on all sides by a barrage of advertising, cheap snacks on display, and have been marketed to from your childhood, you are going to have a much harder time abstaining from these products.

I understand, or at least guess that you are putting forth a point of personal responsibility here – "Hey, don't eat those Hot Pockets, and you will be all good". But there are a ton of obstacles to that. These large food companies have pretty much ensured that most "convenience" stores carry only their products, and have little to no fresh produce or what you would consider "healthy" food. If you live in a poor neighborhood, a lot of times the only place that sells produce is located really far away, like 5 or 10 miles.

Thus, for some people it is clearly easier to eat healthy, and maybe some of that is on account of their socioeconomic class, current health, etc. But extrapolating that to all people should be a bit more nuanced, and maybe these companies' marketing should be a bit more regulated.

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[1] http://www.statista.com/statistics/286531/nestle-advertising...

[2] https://www.apa.org/helpcenter/willpower-limited-resource.pd...

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by sobkas »

folli wrote: post #56
ck2 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do think it is their right to buy publicly owned municipality water and then sell it back to the public. I mean with soda at least they are putting a few cents per gallon into it. There should be a truth-in-advertising law they makes the bottle labels say "filtered publicly owned water $1".

In my opinion, the blaming is very one-sided. I mean what kind of municipality sells such rights to a private entity?

The one that believes in trickle down economics!
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