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Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by viraptor »

blowski wrote: post #13
nsajko wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would evidently be bad for people to be blobs of fat, remember that in WALL-E they couldn't even stand up. That level of physical impairment is awful whether you're mortally ill or not.

Why? If I value eating whatever I like above having a small waist, why would it be bad for me to be a blob of fat? The only reason I should lose weight is for health reasons, but if there's a magic pill that would remove that reason, then why should I care? I kind of agree with you, but I don't think it's immediately obvious.

For example design / civil engineering. Unless we can adjust literally everything to be supported by arbitrary-width any-direction conveyor belt system, we'll have issues with transport. Unless we can easily sell devices that are adaptable to any body shape/position (this goes from "screen for fat fingers" to "can't reach the panel on the wall"), we'll have issues with interfaces. And so on - this applies to thousands of ideas.

We already see those 2 problems right now: Existing issues about how to handle people who don't fit in economy seat on a plane without disturbing the next person. Smartphone (and previously calculator) design doesn't work for people with bloby fingers.

We barely started to make essential services available to disabled people who don't actually have a choice of moving on their own, or read, or... If we can't handle that special case, I don't think we can easily handle those self-inflicted issues as a norm.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by mhurron »

k33n wrote: post #20
mhurron wrote: post #10

Diabetes is not always a byproduct of over consuming sugar and a company producing sugary snacks and diabetes pills does not force or even encourage over consumption of sugar. I don't see what the actual problem is.

The leading cause of diabetes is poor diet. Nestle is selling you foods that if consumed in large quantities will absolutely result in you becoming a diabetic. It's called vertical integration and it's not accidental.

> if consumed in large quantities

And when consumed in moderation, has no adverse affect. Poor diet is you, not a company.

Nestle is simply going where the money is. If you need diabetes pills because of your poor decisions though, that is your fault.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by adrianN »

hammock wrote: post #23
maccard wrote: post #4

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curious why an inhaler is something that is required by an advanced society. I'm asthmatic, but aside from that relatively healthy (not overweight, exercise regularly, eat well-ish, no othe major medical conditions). While my asthma definitely isn't helped if I'm inhaling diesel fumes, I'm far more likely to haven an exercise induced attack.

Air pollution (outdoor as well as indoor - the offgassing from the myriad synthetic materials found in construction and furnishings these days) is only one trigger of asthma and not the only one exacerbated by modern society. Many experts have theorized changes in our microbiota are partly responsible for the general rise in asthma over the past decades. That would include things like over-sanitation, increased C sec…

Asthma used to be a lot worse until we figured out how to avoid open fire in living spaces. So arguably, air pollution is currently much less of a problem compared to almost any time since we learned to make fire.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by sxg »

blowski wrote: post #13
nsajko wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would evidently be bad for people to be blobs of fat, remember that in WALL-E they couldn't even stand up. That level of physical impairment is awful whether you're mortally ill or not.

Why? If I value eating whatever I like above having a small waist, why would it be bad for me to be a blob of fat? The only reason I should lose weight is for health reasons, but if there's a magic pill that would remove that reason, then why should I care? I kind of agree with you, but I don't think it's immediately obvious.

There is no "magic pill" for some of the issues associated with massive obesity. One issue you can get is obstructive sleep apnea where you're so fat your tongue blocks your throat at night, and you can't breathe. This eventually leads to pulmonary hypertension and heart failure. You can "fix" this with a CPAP machine, but it's not pleasant. Another issue is that you can be so fat that your chest muscles aren't strong enough to allow you to breathe. There's no real fix for this other than losing weight.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by x5n1 »

EazyC wrote: post #24
x5n1 wrote: post #6

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Why not both? It's an arms race. Why not supply both sides?

This whole thing reminds me of a relevant paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

Your link reminded me of this tradition,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potlatch

"In the potlatch, the host in effect challenged a guest chieftain to exceed him in his 'power' to give away or to destroy goods. If the guest did not return 100 percent on the gifts received and destroy even more wealth in a bigger and better bonfire, he and his people lost face and so his 'power' was diminished."

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

cies wrote: post #14

> Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills ...and they want to "own" the water. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_pb6r8VNWk

That was my first thought when I saw the headline. Water is a human need.

All that out, however, I do actually agree with some of what is being done. I'd seriously prefer to eat a gummy candy than swallow a pill - no matter how small a pill is, I can only swallow one at a time. Patients with dementia get crushed medicines mixed with jelly or another substance here - and a pre-mixed solution of some sort would be easier on everyone. It'd be a bonus if we can have the extended release stuff in edible form. Children wouldn't mind taking medicines so much.

I just wish it weren't what I consider evil people (from the water stuff) doing it.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by mhurron »

sledgehammers wrote: post #28
mhurron wrote: post #10

Diabetes is not always a byproduct of over consuming sugar and a company producing sugary snacks and diabetes pills does not force or even encourage over consumption of sugar. I don't see what the actual problem is.

Really, you don't see any problem here? You said it yourself. It's not _always_ a (direct) byproduct of over consuming sugar. However, it often is.

No, diabetes is often a byproduct of choosing to over consume sugar. Nestle didn't make them diabetic, they did that to themselves.

There is no direct cause and effect, producing sugary snacks does not cause diabetes. People choose to over consume to the point they develop diabetes.

People's lack of self control created a market, Nestle wants to be one of the companies in that market.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by mhurron »

djrobstep wrote: post #25
mhurron wrote: post #10

Diabetes is not always a byproduct of over consuming sugar and a company producing sugary snacks and diabetes pills does not force or even encourage over consumption of sugar. I don't see what the actual problem is.

Actually, they do encourage exactly that. Stating the obvious, the choices people make are a function of the choices available to them.

So people didn't over eat sugar until there were diabetes pills?

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by maxaf »

newjersey wrote: post #26
fche wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course water is not a "human right" - else whom can I sue for being thirsty?

This is the worst offense. The iPodization of water is real. I try to avoid buying water whenever I can. If people like us who have a voice will just quietly switch to bottled water or very expensive home filtration, then we will have failed our civic duty.

Almost everywhere I travel outside of NYC the question pops up: is tap water safe to drink? New York is notoriously proud of and vocal about this local amenity. Achieving a universal standard in this area would go a long way towards putting a significant dent in the bottled water scam.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by brianwawok »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #36
cies wrote: post #14

> Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills ...and they want to "own" the water. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_pb6r8VNWk

That was my first thought when I saw the headline. Water is a human need. All that out, however, I do actually agree with some of what is being done. I'd seriously prefer to eat a gummy candy than swallow a pill - no matter how small a pill is, I can only swallow one at a time. Patients with dementia get crushed medicines mixed with jelly or another substance here - and a pre-mixed solution of some sort would be easi…

People in the US already take about 10x too much medicine. Not sure making it easier is a good social goal.
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