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Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by takeda »

plainOldText wrote: post #108
toomuchtodo wrote: post #74

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Lax data privacy laws in the US (compared to Europe). Lobby your congressperson to fix it.

You don't need to take it to the congress; just stop using the services of a company whose practices you don't agree with. If more people would do this, maybe the company will get the message and change its practices.

This information is too valuable to dissuade companies from collecting and using it. You can't do much as an user if everyone is doing it. In many situations you might not even know that you're being tracked, there already technologies that track you in public places.

IMO this is something that should be regulated.

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Post by retox »

onewaystreet wrote: post #54
mosquito242 wrote: post #44

I had the strangest interaction with the Messenger app a few months ago. I was spending time with friends, and I took a few pictures of all of us (didn't send them through either FB or Messenger). A few hours later, messenger popped up a notification telling me something along the lines of "Hey, I see you took pictures today of . Want to send them to her?" Made me feel incredibly creeped out that FB would take my pho…

It's called Photo Magic: "By recognizing your Facebook friends in the photos you take (just like when tagging or sharing photos on Facebook), Messenger can create a group thread for you to share the photos with those friends in just two taps." https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2015/12/messenger-adds-new-feat... http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/9/9696760/facebook-messenger... You can opt-out by turning off tagging suggestio…

This is actually terrifying to me.

Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

Normal_gaussian wrote: post #111
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #63

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In the case of the human personal assistant the governing terms originate with the person being assisted, and so the data and the ways it can be used remain in control of the owner. Well, the data and ways it can be used are also in control of the user now, they just all agree to it - even without knowing it in many cases. My question is: how do we talk to consumers to show them the benefits while also informing them…

You seem to be arguing as though the current situation is preferable and consumers just need to be convinced of that. Firstly, the user is not in control of the contract. They have no realistic means of modification or exerting pressure, nor resisting or requiring changes. Take it or leave it is not control. Secondly. You are likely aware of the permissions systems being introduced on modern smartphones. This is an i…

You seem to be arguing as though the current situation is preferable and consumers just need to be convinced of that.

My whole stance is that it's unknown if it's preferable because people don't know what the long term costs are - as no one has told them about it.

Clearly they are gaining value from utilizing these systems or they wouldn't be using them. What isn't understood is if they would still use them if they understood the potential long range privacy implications.

Firstly, the user is not in control of the contract. They have no realistic means of modification or exerting pressure, nor resisting or requiring changes. Take it or leave it is not control.

In the case of private services, it most certainly is control. Irrespective of that however, these systems aren't basic services or things that people have a right to, so your control argument is in the wrong context. Facebook et al. are frivolities - not needs.

Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by visarga »

bradbeattie wrote: post #59
visarga wrote: post #51

Maybe photos should carry a "robots.txt"-like permissions tag explicitly banning social networks from using it, and a cryptographic watermark embedded in the picture that is hard to remove, so they are not tempted to delete the tag.Cameras (and apps) should auto-tag files if the user so wishes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole

I was thinking along the lines of a "Do not track" flag that is to be voluntarily observed by large social networks like, FB. It would be a "Do Not Share" flag.

Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by thiht »

mosquito242 wrote: post #44

I had the strangest interaction with the Messenger app a few months ago. I was spending time with friends, and I took a few pictures of all of us (didn't send them through either FB or Messenger). A few hours later, messenger popped up a notification telling me something along the lines of "Hey, I see you took pictures today of . Want to send them to her?" Made me feel incredibly creeped out that FB would take my pho…

Wow I never heard of that before, that's insane...

The worst thing is you can't "boycott" the app because even if you don't use it but your friends do, the pictures of you WILL be analyzed. Even if you explicitly refused their ToS...

Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by lazzlazzlazz »

chinathrow wrote: post #58
onewaystreet wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called Photo Magic: "By recognizing your Facebook friends in the photos you take (just like when tagging or sharing photos on Facebook), Messenger can create a group thread for you to share the photos with those friends in just two taps." https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2015/12/messenger-adds-new-feat... http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/9/9696760/facebook-messenger... You can opt-out by turning off tagging suggestio…

That should be opt-in. What a fucked up feature. Edit: I don't give any of my friends consent to use that feature - yet the would still scan my face. How can this even be legal.

It's opt-in. Do research before experiencing moral outrage.

Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by Kristine1975 »

Natanael_L wrote: post #68
dsfuoi wrote: post #43

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In terms of sociologic development the middle-eastern countries are considered backwards with their stone-age laws, ingrained religion, and treating women like lesser beings, and yet we may soon be wearing 'burka' like clothing to protects our identity. Of course apart from the physical look, there is no connection between the two.

There's at least a few options. https://cvdazzle.com/

I wonder if ganguro works, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganguro

Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by Kristine1975 »

Mendenhall wrote: post #67
FreedomToCreate wrote: post #57

Facebook was great when it was a way to connect with close friends and people in your immediate community (ex. university) and see what to happening around you. Now thats it trying to evolve into this platform that targets you so that it can make an insane amount of ad revenue, it has become less and less worth it. Especially in respect to our privacy.

I feel that was always the plan and people just didnt see it coming.

"They trust me. Dumb fucks." -- Mark Zuckerberg (http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims...)

Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by Kristine1975 »

matt4077 wrote: post #27
crisisactor wrote: post #22

To be honest, most of these are surface level traits of an individual. There are deeper traits which go much more personal, and have even been touched on in popular culture in recent times, like in the new James Bond movie (think gait recognition). But even gait, although highly individual, is still touching the surface. I was thinking of 'trimming the bloom filter' to such a degree that we can recognize not only a p…

Which reminds me of the researcher at Berlin's Humboldt University who ended up in jail because he was the only one at the time who used the word 'gentrification'. Him, and this left-wing group setting cars on fire.

I think you mean Andrej Holm: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrej_Holm (no article on him in the english Wikipedia, sorry).

Re: Facebook sued for storing biometric data mined from photographs

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Post by Kristine1975 »

sp332 wrote: post #104
chinathrow wrote: post #85

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I saw that now too. Opt-in isn't enough here, the user of the messenger app should get consent from all folks on those pictures before auto-uploading anything. What another trove of data for FB. Disgusting.

Facebook lets you opt-out of being tagged, which is about all they can do. The photos don't being to you, plus they're not going to know that you're in a photo until after it gets uploaded.

>which is about all they can do

They could not use facial recognition in the first place.

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