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In terms of sociologic development the middle-eastern countries are considered backwards with their stone-age laws, ingrained religion, and treating women like lesser beings, and yet we may soon be wearing 'burka' like clothing to protects our identity. Of course apart from the physical look, there is no connection between the two.

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That's not the scary part. The scary part is that people are feeding the facebook DB with pictures, and many more data. They did it, they are doing it, and will keep it up, despite everything we told them. The scary part is that nobody cares.

The tech scene loves Facebook. They love React.

I love React, but I hate Facebook. I also love C and Unix and the transistor, but I never really cared for AT&T.

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I think technologists need to help the public understand how if they are going to continue to fully integrate technology in assisting with their lives, they will be moving closer to a "privacy free" future. The trade-off between having tailored services and "smart" systems is privacy from machine systems. The technology community pines for futuristic technology like amazing machine personal assistants, forgetting tha…

In the case of the human personal assistant the governing terms originate with the person being assisted, and so the data and the ways it can be used remain in control of the owner. Tech companies are inverting this control, which has very dangerous implications for those they assist. There are ways to keep control with the user, however these require a level of architecture inversion the consumers haven't fought for…

In the case of the human personal assistant the governing terms originate with the person being assisted, and so the data and the ways it can be used remain in control of the owner.

Well, the data and ways it can be used are also in control of the user now, they just all agree to it - even without knowing it in many cases. My question is: how do we talk to consumers to show them the benefits while also informing them of how it works?

There are ways to keep control with the user, however these require a level of architecture inversion the consumers haven't fought for yet.

I'd be curious to know how you see this working - especially in the case of providing a benefit from network effects. The benefit from these systems is using the inputs of other people, and those by definition release control.

Beyond that case, making each user train their own CNN is an impossible consumer demand. The way facebook does it with face tagging and google does it with number/letter recognition, everyone is training the CNN - crowd-sourced neural net training.

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I had the strangest interaction with the Messenger app a few months ago. I was spending time with friends, and I took a few pictures of all of us (didn't send them through either FB or Messenger). A few hours later, messenger popped up a notification telling me something along the lines of "Hey, I see you took pictures today of . Want to send them to her?" Made me feel incredibly creeped out that FB would take my pho…

It's called Photo Magic: "By recognizing your Facebook friends in the photos you take (just like when tagging or sharing photos on Facebook), Messenger can create a group thread for you to share the photos with those friends in just two taps." https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2015/12/messenger-adds-new-feat... http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/9/9696760/facebook-messenger... You can opt-out by turning off tagging suggestio…

I am still shocked about that feature. The messenger app is installed by millions of people. Does anyone know how the app does the friend recognition? Local on the phone or on FBs servers?

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That's not the scary part. The scary part is that people are feeding the facebook DB with pictures, and many more data. They did it, they are doing it, and will keep it up, despite everything we told them. The scary part is that nobody cares.

That's the entirely expected part. I don't know exactly which "we" you're referring to, but the tech scene in general absolutely did not warn people about the dangers of uploading these photos, on the contrary, they encouraged it. I don't think it's reasonable to expect "everyday" people to know the dangers here. There hasn't been any education, so you can't say "nobody cares". Nobody is aware.

That sort of the amazing part to me. Even on hacker news with very educated people they dont talk much about all the ways its possible to abuse it.

I think much of the tech scene is making money off it so no one says much about all the ways such info can be abused.

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The tech scene loves Facebook. They love React.

I love React, but I hate Facebook. I also love C and Unix and the transistor, but I never really cared for AT&T.

I love your comment. :)

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Facebook was great when it was a way to connect with close friends and people in your immediate community (ex. university) and see what to happening around you. Now thats it trying to evolve into this platform that targets you so that it can make an insane amount of ad revenue, it has become less and less worth it. Especially in respect to our privacy.

I feel that was always the plan and people just didnt see it coming.

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In terms of sociologic development the middle-eastern countries are considered backwards with their stone-age laws, ingrained religion, and treating women like lesser beings, and yet we may soon be wearing 'burka' like clothing to protects our identity. Of course apart from the physical look, there is no connection between the two.

There's at least a few options.

https://cvdazzle.com/

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I had the strangest interaction with the Messenger app a few months ago. I was spending time with friends, and I took a few pictures of all of us (didn't send them through either FB or Messenger). A few hours later, messenger popped up a notification telling me something along the lines of "Hey, I see you took pictures today of . Want to send them to her?" Made me feel incredibly creeped out that FB would take my pho…

were they just stored on your phone ?

yep.

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Years ago, I read about a hat that some Hollywood stars had found useful for fighting paparazzi. Mind you, I don't recall the source, and it my have been tabloid nonsense. The hat had a circle of IR LEDs (or something of the sort) emitting 360 degrees of invisible-to-the-naked-eye light. Photos of anyone wearing the hat had a similar effect to using a flash in a mirror, the subject was completely washed out by light.…

Most cameras have an IR filter so that won't work. In the past, phone cameras often didn't have an IR filter.

Near-red IR is hard to filter without also accidentally making red colors look off, because getting the frequency response perfectly match human eyes is extremely hard. You don't want to detect less, and detecting just a bit more usually won't hurt.
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